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Administration Will Spend $1.8 Billion to Build 20-Mile Railroad on 30-Mile-Wide Island (Oahu)
Cybercast News Service ^ | February 13, 2013 | Patrick Burke

Posted on 02/13/2013 6:04:40 PM PST by Olog-hai

The Department of Transportation (DOT) announced that $1.55 billion in new federal tax dollars will be allocated for the first-ever Hawaiian Transit Rail system on the island of Oahu, which will serve downtown Honolulu, at a total federal and state cost of $5.1 billion.

The train circuit will be 20 miles long, with 21 stops on an island that is 30 miles wide. …

An additional $4 million has been obligated from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (the “stimulus”), and $209.9 million is coming from other sources within the DOT. Both the $1.55 billion and the $209.9 million are proposed funding plans, and will be contingent upon future appropriations from Congress.

The $3.358 billion of the project’s $5.1 billion total cost will derive from Hawaiian sources that include but are not limited to excise taxes paid by Oahu businesses and residents, as well as tourists. …

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: hawaii; hawaiilrt; lightfail; lrtboondoggle; oahu; overpriced
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This has to be the most outrageous cost for light rail since the one across the river from New York (in Jersey City, over $100 million per mile)—the Oahu system will be a colossal $255 million per mile. (That is $155 million per mile more than the largest estimate for California HSR, for the record.)
1 posted on 02/13/2013 6:04:45 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

This is why roads are falling apart.


2 posted on 02/13/2013 6:08:28 PM PST by DManA
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To: Olog-hai

Hey, keeping the fact that the dork has no real HI birth certificate costs.

And you and I get to pay....for their railroad.


3 posted on 02/13/2013 6:09:06 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Olog-hai

That money could be better spent investing in Google’s automated automobile system. That way they could have hundreds of thousands of stops and no track at all. PLUS, a really big benefit, the blind could travel on the system without the use of special trip hazard rubber mats.


4 posted on 02/13/2013 6:09:13 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Olog-hai

This is why roads are falling apart.


5 posted on 02/13/2013 6:09:19 PM PST by DManA
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To: Olog-hai

Mahalo!


6 posted on 02/13/2013 6:09:39 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Olog-hai

How about tunnels that connect island to island?


7 posted on 02/13/2013 6:10:02 PM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: Olog-hai

Reminds me of the monorail episode of The Simpsons.


8 posted on 02/13/2013 6:11:37 PM PST by mnehring
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To: killermosquito

Wanna chance hitting a magma reservoir . . . ?


9 posted on 02/13/2013 6:12:12 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Jason Lewis’ law is “Spending begets Spending”.

If the Federal Government spends $billion for a Hooterville Trolly for Minneapolis how can you not build one in Oahu.


10 posted on 02/13/2013 6:12:24 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

everyone had enough...well i have...time to act!!!!!!!!!!


11 posted on 02/13/2013 6:12:48 PM PST by ldish (Give me Freedom and Liberty or let's kick some a**!)
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To: killermosquito

Better yet, a bridge to the mainland.


12 posted on 02/13/2013 6:12:54 PM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Olog-hai

Wow a new money laundering scheme.


13 posted on 02/13/2013 6:13:56 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Olog-hai
Article did not bother to mention the majority of Oahu residents are against the rail. Particularly since only a very small part of the island could possibly benefit, but everyone gets raped for the costs.

Lots of bullsqueeze about traffic, but the effect for most commuters will be nothing. A total waste of money.

14 posted on 02/13/2013 6:14:38 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Olog-hai

WHERE on a 30 mile wide island couldn’t you get to by walking?


15 posted on 02/13/2013 6:14:38 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Olog-hai

How many bridges to nowhere does this add up to.


16 posted on 02/13/2013 6:16:02 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Olog-hai

I’m not surprised at this. I arrived at Hickam AFB in March 1969. The construction of H1 was in progress. A mainland construction company, Kaiser, I think, had been awarded the contract for construction for about 20 miles of H1 from west of Barbers Point NAS to near Pearl City and had completed it on time. The local union goons (the ILWU controlled the islands) didn’t like that and prevailed on the Johnson administration to break up construction into about 1 mile chunks. H1 still had not been completed when I left the islands in late 1972, and the cost was astronomical.


17 posted on 02/13/2013 6:18:43 PM PST by RightWingConspirator (Obamanation--the most corrupt regime since Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe)
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To: Olog-hai

sounds crazy


18 posted on 02/13/2013 6:20:19 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai

If the area has a population density comparable to Chicago or Toronto it would make sense, but somehow I don’t think that’s the case. If it were a full-on subway the cost would be reasonable but for light rail it’s ridiculous.


19 posted on 02/13/2013 6:21:12 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Olog-hai
Guess the yahoos responsibile for this haven’t noticed we are broke. Horribily irresponsible.
20 posted on 02/13/2013 6:22:24 PM PST by benasawin
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To: Olog-hai

Clearly, a reward to Hawaii for “losing” the phony illegal ‘birth certificate...’


21 posted on 02/13/2013 6:22:26 PM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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To: bigheadfred

mini-bus and a donkey will get you anywhere


22 posted on 02/13/2013 6:22:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ldish

Lead on sir.


23 posted on 02/13/2013 6:24:44 PM PST by DManA
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To: RJS1950

The Gravina Island bridge was to have cost $398 million for 1.2 miles (6300 feet) length, or about $334 million per mile. The Oahu rail boondoggle adds up to about 15.3 bridges to nowhere, by that measure.


24 posted on 02/13/2013 6:26:01 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

If the incompetent government(s) estimate it at $5,100,000,000 you can count on it being two to three times that figure.

Bet the taxi, bus, and rental car companies are thrilled too. A lot of locals can watch their jobs evaporate.


25 posted on 02/13/2013 6:27:27 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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26 posted on 02/13/2013 6:38:23 PM PST by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: mnehring

Reminds me of the monorail episode of The Simpsons.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I love that.

“Mono means one.
Rail means rail.
This concludes our intensive six-month monorail class.”


27 posted on 02/13/2013 6:38:30 PM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Olog-hai

Suddenly the 9 mile busway they are building in CT seems like a great deal. Only 569 million.


28 posted on 02/13/2013 6:40:31 PM PST by matt04
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To: Proud2BeRight

Sad thing is, some of these kind of things can be built for a somewhat reasonable cost. Portland Streetcar came in at about $15 million per mile (in 2012 dollars, including buying the cars and the storage/maintenance facilities), although I suspect that private firms could have come in at far lower cost than that. $255 million per mile for something that’s essentially the same kind of thing is beyond absurd.


29 posted on 02/13/2013 6:45:17 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: matt04

Still $63 million per mile for a road you won’t be allowed to drive on and will require the same kind of maintenance as other roads, including snow removal and suchlike. Ain’t government grand?


30 posted on 02/13/2013 6:47:22 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Will there be a stop at the Baraq Hussein Obama Presidential Library and Choom Gang Museum?


31 posted on 02/13/2013 6:51:31 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

Sure, but the costs for those stations haven’t been figured in yet. Undoubtedly they will have to include some kind of artistic vanity piece for the sake of aesthetics and whatnot, and given the “historic” nature, these will certainly be overpriced more than on other similar systems.

What’s even worse is that this system will most likely have that absurd proof-of-payment system (abbreviated POP) where you have to buy tickets but can only guess when an inspector will show up; more often than not, there aren’t any inspectors and lots of people ride for free, which results in this manner of fare collection having the lowest fare recovery ratio (under 20 percent for the most part), even against subways (with turnstiles), buses (where the bus driver collects fares) and commuter rail (with conductors).


32 posted on 02/13/2013 6:56:22 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Isn’t that where he has his new digs, paid for by big donors from Chicago?


33 posted on 02/13/2013 7:02:54 PM PST by Parmy
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To: Olog-hai

-—— kind of like the super highway that goes about 15 miles into the jungle that was build back in the 50’s or early 60’s that goes nowhere, has no off ramps - just dead ends in the middle of nowhere with no way to get to the ground unless you bring repelling rope.


34 posted on 02/13/2013 7:03:41 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: Olog-hai

Some of this is money that Gov Kasich turned down in Ohio right after he took office.


35 posted on 02/13/2013 7:04:08 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Olog-hai
This has to be the most outrageous cost

Yeah but at least they'll have riders. For outrageous costs per passenger mile I don't think anyhing tops the Santa Clara County Light Rail extension to Los Gatos. $175 million for 1.6 miles with a projected ridership of 200 people per day.

36 posted on 02/13/2013 7:16:09 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: Olog-hai

Another way to look at it ...

Every citizen is shelling out $1 or his/her own money PER MILE for this sham. $20 from me, $20 from my wife, $100 from my kids, etc.


37 posted on 02/13/2013 7:19:23 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Olog-hai

Choom choom Charlie thinks he’s an engineer


38 posted on 02/13/2013 7:20:22 PM PST by infool7 (The ugly truth is just a big lie.)
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To: Olog-hai

Island is only 30 miles wide? Railroad? They can’t drive (or walk) to their destination? Heck, where I live it is at least 45 miles to the next small town with nothing in between and the government pulled up the only railroad tracks around here a decade ago to “save the enviroment.”


39 posted on 02/13/2013 7:29:58 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: OrioleFan
Some of this is money that Gov Kasich turned down in Ohio right after he took office.

Oh, the "high speed" rail that was planned to travel at about the same speed as traffic on I-71 between Cincinnati and Cleveland. Double the speed and it might make some sense, but at 75 mph there was no reason for it at any price.

40 posted on 02/13/2013 7:32:46 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: atomic_dog

Neither project can justify their costs, even on ridership. The revenue from the Honolulu system will be extremely low even with respect to riders, and even if it were not, it’d never recover its costs in construction at that price tag.


41 posted on 02/13/2013 7:33:26 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: KarlInOhio

That was it. A total waste of money. The previous Democrap Governor wanted it.


42 posted on 02/13/2013 7:39:45 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: DManA

This is why the country is falling apart.


43 posted on 02/13/2013 7:39:57 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Olog-hai.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2988314/posts?page=14#14


44 posted on 02/13/2013 7:53:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: doorgunner69

It is a 19th Century solution to 21st Century problems.


45 posted on 02/13/2013 8:03:47 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Olog-hai

buy each islander a damn helicopter. be cheaper.


46 posted on 02/13/2013 8:26:28 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Proud2BeRight
Bet the taxi, bus, and rental car companies are thrilled too.
A lot of locals can watch their jobs evaporate.

The taxi and bus drivers don't just drive - they act as tour guides in a way. They will steer you to the "best" hotel, beach, surf shop, t-shirt shack, waterfall, whatever. I'm sure the drivers get something in return for their "recommendations". I bet some tourist traps don't advertise any other way. And I'm sure a lot of them will be nowhere near a railway station.

47 posted on 02/13/2013 8:34:32 PM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: wildbill

Dunno about that. Per capita, a new Robinson R-22 each (based on a population of 953,207) would run about $238 billion. For the cost of the Honolulu LRT, you might be able to buy them an ultralight chopper each, but those aren’t for beginners.


48 posted on 02/13/2013 8:47:31 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

should have put in a sarcasm tag i guess


49 posted on 02/13/2013 8:49:42 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Olog-hai
Back to the past:

"Oahu Railway & Land Company

The first section of this 3ft (914mm) gauge network of lines opened in 1889. At its greatest extent, the line left Honolulu, skirted Pearl Harbour and headed for the west coast of the island. It then followed the west and north coasts as far as Kahuku. A branch from Waipahu ran inland to Halemano. The network was heavily utilised during the Second World War, notably for access to Schofield Army Barracks and Lualaulei Naval Ammunition Depot. However, general traffic was insufficient to ensure the survival of the line after the War, and operations outside the area of Honolulu and the Harbour ceased in 1947. The little traffic that remained lingered until 1972, when the last section of line finally closed to commercial traffic.

Koolau Railroad

A 3ft (914mm) gauge line on the east coast of the island, effectively a continuation of the Oahu Railway from Kahuku to Kahana. Dates unknown."

50 posted on 02/13/2013 9:00:29 PM PST by Paladin2
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