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Russian meteorite blast explained: Fireball explosion, not meteor shower (maps)
rt.com/news ^ | Edited: 16 February, 2013, 18:34

Posted on 02/16/2013 11:40:13 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Chode
iirc there should be a sonic boom for every multiple of the sound barrier

Geez, I don't think so! Why would there be? The angle of the shock wave to the flight path just gets steeper as the Mach number increases. I believe at high Mach numbers, there are qualitatively new effects, but this is due to intensification of the shock front.

The double boom from the Space Shuttle was due to two separate shock waves orginating from the nose and the tail, I think.

41 posted on 02/16/2013 1:28:07 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Strategerist
Also, it occurred to me that around here, Ephrata Fan -- Columbia Basin area of Washington state, there are so many boulders strewn around from the Great Missoula Flood that it would be very difficult to pick out a new one, unless you knew the area intimately or carefully examined each and every one.

Some are more memorable:


42 posted on 02/16/2013 1:28:21 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Astronomers around the globe didn’t notice the object coming either,..."

Now that's a REAL problem. Climate Change indeed.

43 posted on 02/16/2013 1:30:03 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: dr_lew

I think he’s right about harmonics but not sure if those are audible.


44 posted on 02/16/2013 1:30:25 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

Smaller fireballs are extremely common events, which often wouldn’t make any more than the local media previously.

It’s the “attention effect” once again.


45 posted on 02/16/2013 1:32:23 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

But the Cuba fireball detonation is reported to have shaken windows, which is definitely not an everyday thing.


46 posted on 02/16/2013 1:35:25 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This is as close to witnessing anything like this as I've ever been. And this is nothing in comparison but it is pretty awesome. Shockley's "Shockwave" Jet Truck
47 posted on 02/16/2013 1:35:25 PM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the Terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

There’s going to be a documentary on this at 8PM Eastern tonight on the Science Channel (my cable’s guide hasn’t updated to show this yet.)


48 posted on 02/16/2013 1:36:00 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: dr_lew
the shuttle is what i based it on but never though of the tail creating it's own sonic boom... guess yer right
49 posted on 02/16/2013 1:38:08 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What the heck was THAT?

50 posted on 02/16/2013 1:38:53 PM PST by jaz.357 (Contrary To Ordinary)
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To: jaz.357

That is what the Russian girl was saying on her cell phone,...see #21!


51 posted on 02/16/2013 1:53:17 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Why do they keep calling it a meteorite?

It is only a meteorite after it hits the ground.

Before that it is a meteor.


52 posted on 02/16/2013 1:57:32 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Strategerist

“These results come with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY”

Their results are consistent with NASA’s 15/300kt/20 degree/20000m/sec scenario, except the over pressure, which was demonstrably greater, about 5X greater.


53 posted on 02/16/2013 2:06:58 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I don’t think the calculator is including the sonic boom from the passage, just the explosion.

However, an article in Nature states the blast damage was from the explosion, not the sonic boom:

http://www.nature.com/news/russian-meteor-largest-in-a-century-1.12438

On further thought, I suspect that the overpressure was much higher than the calculator because the (simple) calculator may simply have the air blast effects be spherical, when in reality they were focused along the path.

The paper explaining the calculator is quite technical and can be found here:

http://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/ImpactEffects/effects.pdf


54 posted on 02/16/2013 2:15:54 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: zot; SeraphimApprentice; Interesting Times

great satellite pics of meteor


55 posted on 02/16/2013 2:18:11 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Nik Naym

The term “meteor” is a piece of arcana referring to any atmospheric phenomenon, such as a cloud, or lightning. Meteors as we know them were not understood, and the association of found meteorites with the percieved “meteor” was controversial. So the term was analogous to “UFO”, in referring to an unknown phenomenon in general terms.

“Meteor” as a general term fell out of use and is now reserved for the particular phenomenon that we understand very well, for the most part. However its is still phenomenological, referring to the observed appearance, and not any cause or object associated with it.

Hence, we have “meteoroid” for a rock in space, and “meteorite” for whatever makes it to the ground, but what is it when it is seen producing the “meteor” that we see? A nice question, but a purely rhetorical one.


56 posted on 02/16/2013 2:19:10 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
Hence, we have “meteoroid” for a rock in space

A meteoroid is a modestly-sized rock (up to boulder size) anywhere in the solar system, and the visual appearance upon entering the atmosphere is called a meteor.

I concede this is not particularly important information and I am just keeping the thread alive

57 posted on 02/16/2013 2:24:02 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Strategerist

The calculator notes, also state that the minimum velocity at impact is 11 km/sec (I’m buying it), but that the maximum velocity for a solar system object is 72 km/sec. Classically, the maximum velocity on impact with the earth for a solar system body is 44 km/sec = sqrt( 2*(mu_sun/R_earth_orbit + mu_earth/R_top_of_atmosphere))

The maximum orbital energy for an object to be graviationally bound to another body is 0. More than that and it has escape velocity. When the energy is 0, the velocity is:

v = sqrt( 2*mu/R)

For earth mu = 398600.4418 km^3/sec^2, R ~ 6491 km from center, = 11 km/sec

For the sun mu = 132712440018 km^3/sec^2 , R ~ 150,000,000 km from center, = 42.07 km/sec

The energy adds, regardless of path, so the resultant velocity is root of the sum of the squares, or about 44 km/sec


58 posted on 02/16/2013 2:34:38 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Strategerist

Spherical dissipation goes as 1/R^3, line source as 1/R^2, so you may be on to something.


59 posted on 02/16/2013 2:40:08 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: BerryDingle
I "googled" ["A Russian policeman works near an ice hole"] and all I can get is Putin standing by Ozero.

Check your spelling.

60 posted on 02/16/2013 2:54:10 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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