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1 posted on 02/23/2013 9:06:05 AM PST by Kaslin
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Might I add, “Just Laws” have to promote Virtue in the USA. We are ruled by Law, not man. Justice is a Virtue and it is the fundamental reason for any government or contract. Without Virtue—we can have no Justice. It is why as far back as Socrates (and made Western Civilization the best) it was known that for Freedom we had to have and promote Justice in Law. Cicero added the Universal Truths which matches God’s Truth.

To promote Vice-—like sodomy— is unconstitutional by definition. There is no Right from God to sodomize other people. It is dehumanizing—reduces man to an object-— and so is always evil because it is such a misuse of God’s Design. The very act mocks God.


2 posted on 02/23/2013 9:16:53 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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Have to fight to save the country.


3 posted on 02/23/2013 9:19:13 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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Excellent article to discuss with our kids.


6 posted on 02/23/2013 10:43:03 AM PST by boxlunch
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This whole game of our Elected Officials is sickening. We are slowly being taken over by the government, soon we will not be able to defend ourselves against them. When do we stand and say Enough is Enough? When?


7 posted on 02/23/2013 10:57:16 AM PST by conservative_cyclist (I want my parents country back!)
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The country is going to collapse into ruin and horror.

It may be too late to heal the cultural rot.

So what do we do now? Council your children and try to make them aware of the dangers and the lies. Sadly, they will never get to grow up innocent. Those days are lost.


8 posted on 02/23/2013 11:18:21 AM PST by Wanderer99
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Negative rights vs. so called “positive rights”-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXOEkj6Jz44


9 posted on 02/23/2013 11:23:07 AM PST by ReformationFan
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VERY incorrect. The underlying relationship is a social COMPACT. In a CONTRACT one thing of value is exchanged for another. In a COMPACT, each parts with the same thing to get something of equivalent value. In the case of the United States, each individual parts with control or governance over part of his alienable rights in exchange for superior protection of his health, safety and security of his property.

The U.S. Constitution is a charter for an institution and a specific delegation of power which comes from the People who ratified the document through special conventions of individuals in each state elected specifically for that purpose. It is not a contract with the federal government which did not exist at the time and does not exist independent of the document. It is not a contract among the States as their legislatures did not ratify it. The People through special conventions did. In such a manner, the People were able to take power and authority that existed in the post-colonial State governments and re-vest it with a new national government.


10 posted on 02/23/2013 11:23:11 AM PST by marsh2
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Thank you for posting!

Another discussion on the subject:

Natural Law - The Ultimate Source of Constitutional Law

"Man ... must necessarily be subject to the laws of his Creator.. This will of his Maker is called the law of nature.... This law of nature...is of course superior to any other.... No human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this: and such of them as are valid derive all their force...from this original." - Sir William Blackstone (Eminent English Jurist)

The Founders DID NOT establish the Constitution for the purpose of granting rights. Rather, they established this government of laws (not a government of men) in order to secure each person's Creator­ endowed rights to life, liberty, and property.

Only in America, did a nation's founders recognize that rights, though endowed by the Creator as unalienable prerogatives, would not be sustained in society unless they were protected under a code of law which was itself in harmony with a higher law. They called it "natural law," or "Nature's law." Such law is the ultimate source and established limit for all of man's laws and is intended to protect each of these natural rights for all of mankind. The Declaration of Independence of 1776 established the premise that in America a people might assume the station "to which the laws of Nature and Nature's God entitle them.."

Herein lay the security for men's individual rights - an immut­able code of law, sanctioned by the Creator of man's rights, and designed to promote, preserve, and protect him and his fellows in the enjoyment of their rights. They believed that such natural law, revealed to man through his reason, was capable of being understood by both the ploughman and the professor. Sir William Blackstone, whose writings trained American's lawyers for its first century, capsulized such reasoning:

"For as God, when he created matter, and endued it with a principle of mobility, established certain rules for the...direction of that motion; so, when he created man, and endued him with freewill to conduct himself in all parts of life, he laid down certain immutable laws of human nature, whereby that freewill is in some degree regulated and restrained, and gave him also the faculty of reason to discover the purport of those laws."

What are those natural laws? Blackstone continued:

"Such among others are these principles: that we should live honestly, should hurt nobody, and should render to every one his due.."

The Founders saw these as moral duties between individuals. Thomas Jefferson wrote:

"Man has been subjected by his Creator to the moral law, of which his feelings, or conscience as it is sometimes called, are the evidence with which his Creator has furnished him .... The moral duties which exist between individual and individual in a state of nature, accompany them into a state of society . their Maker not having released them from those duties on their forming themselves into a nation."

Americas leaders of 1787 had studied Cicero, Polybius, Coke, Locke, Montesquieu, and Blackstone, among others, as well as the history of the rise and fall of governments, and they recognized these underlying principles of law as those of the Decalogue, the Golden Rule, and the deepest thought of the ages.

An example of the harmony of natural law and natural rights is Blackstone's "that we should live honestly" - otherwise known as "thou shalt not steal" - whose corresponding natural right is that of individual freedom to acquire and own, through honest initiative, private property. In the Founders' view, this law and this right were inalterable and of a higher order than any written law of man. Thus, the Constitution confirmed the law and secured the right and bound both individuals and their representatives in government to a moral code which did not permit either to take the earnings of another without his consent. Under this code, individuals could not band together and do, through government's coercive power, that which was not lawful between individuals.

America's Constitution is the culmination of the best reasoning of men of all time and is based on the most profound and beneficial values mankind has been able to fathom. It is, as William E. Gladstone observed, "The Most Wonderful Work Ever Struck Off At A Given Time By he Brain And Purpose Of Man."

We should dedicate ourselves to rediscovering and preserving an understanding of our Constitution's basis in natural law for the protec­tion of natural rights - principles which have provided American citizens with more protection for individual rights, while guaranteeing more freedom, than any people on earth.

"The end of law is not to abolish or restrain, but to preserve and enlarge freedom." -John Locke


Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III:  ISBN 0-937047-01-5
here


14 posted on 02/23/2013 12:23:27 PM PST by loveliberty2
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Really, it's quite simple: certain people believe in inalienable rights, but others do not. The "others" believe rights come from a document they write and force everyone else to live by via force of a gun (which they do not want you to have!), but they call "law".

These people we call liberals and the party under which they gather is called "Democrats".

16 posted on 02/23/2013 12:37:58 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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Outstanding post!


17 posted on 02/23/2013 12:46:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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Should another party attempt to stop you from accessing your unalienable (or natural) rights they are guilty of a crime, oppression, tyranny, or all of the above.

Governments exist to resolve competing claims with regard to rights. It is so easy to extend a claim as a protection of right that such conflict is inevitable. This is why we have statutes to define those boundaries. To assert that one can go through life without conflict with the rights of another, unalienable or otherwise, is to descend to demagoguery.

30 posted on 02/23/2013 1:23:58 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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I thought we lost is already.


31 posted on 02/23/2013 1:29:40 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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It’s already lost.


32 posted on 02/23/2013 1:32:22 PM PST by Diggity
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Thank you for your posts, both are excellent.


34 posted on 02/23/2013 2:06:00 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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Bump for later


35 posted on 02/23/2013 2:10:12 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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Appreciate the post Kaslin.

Thanks for the ping Jim. YES, an OUTSTANDING post. I will immediately forward this on to many on my personal email list.


36 posted on 02/23/2013 2:10:27 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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Excellent article.


37 posted on 02/23/2013 2:25:14 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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>> For example, you do not have an unalienable (or natural) right to marry or have sex with whomever you want ... those activities requires consent from another party.

This guy wasted a lot of time on the necessary, but well understood aspect of consent.

The majority of Western civilization will, for the foreseeable future, not concern itself with the private sexual behavior of consenting adults.

The real “debate” should address the issue of law that forces citizens to service and support homosexual behavior. And also law that force citizens to participate in the killing of nascent, human life.


38 posted on 02/23/2013 2:50:35 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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The country is gone.

A few years/months/weeks ago my fellow conservatives were lecturing me on the need to “compromise” with liberals.

And now these same people are worried.....


40 posted on 02/23/2013 2:57:37 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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I’d say the author has won the debate. But it certainly won’t save the country.

Or does he really think that “not having the right” will stop this wickedness?

Does he think that these perverts with sexual disorientation waited for someone to shout “It’s your right!” before engaging in their unspeakable acts?

Does he think that explaining the concept of natural rights will sway voters who were never swayed to their present viewpoint by reasoned argument in the first place?

Yes, the author makes a very good case. The only trouble is that it ignores the problem. And what’s worse, it distracts from it. He needs to go back to the agora or the courtroom, where such high-falutin’ debates are considered worthwhile.


41 posted on 02/23/2013 3:02:00 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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