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84 tons and tracked!!!

But wasn't the the Stryker supposed to be the end-all, be-all of future American armored combat, to the point that BCTs and even new bases are now structured around them?

How does the Army plan on moving these things around anyway? And while they are supposed be IED proof (which I doubt), are they "enemy tank" and ATM proof?

1 posted on 02/26/2013 2:16:20 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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Hitler was infatuated with gigantic armored vehicles, Krupp even made one, the Elefant, that weighted in at over eighty tons. During the Ardennes Offensive Royal Tiger tanks could not cross some of the bridges over the Meuse that the Germans managed to capture intact, German combat engineers had to reinforce the bridges while the offensive stalled.

This is not so much a “combat vehicle” as it is an uparmored colonial police wagon. It is not meant to counter the armed forces of a sovereign state, but to perform occupation and colonial administration duties.


2 posted on 02/26/2013 2:29:41 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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No, the Stryker was always just an interim solution. They’ve been in service for a while, and the GCV was on-hold long enough that they had to do some fairly permanent things regarding training and infrastructure for the Stryker.

As to battlefield survivability, the GCV will be at least as durable as the Bradley is/was. Though, at this rate, they’re into overweight, undergunned-Merkava territory, and you’re right to wonder how they’ll transport these things. The M-1070 was necessary to move the Abrams, and the M-88 engineer vehicle struggles to handle it in recovery operations. At ten+ tons more, the M-88 will be unable to handle recoveries, and the 1070 cannot move something this heavy; they will need yet another even heavier transporter and a new engineer vehicle.


3 posted on 02/26/2013 2:29:59 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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5 posted on 02/26/2013 3:00:37 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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No.
The Stryker was an “Interim Combat Vehicle”, and it’s worked quite well.

The GCV came out of a cancelled program to unify combat platforms (tank, artillery and IFV).

This thing is HUGE, but we can’t build every platform around IEDs, because it significantly impacts performance against other threats.


8 posted on 02/26/2013 3:45:30 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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At Ft. Knox in 1968, I recall seeing a monster US tank on display. It was taken out of service because it crushed road beds.


10 posted on 02/26/2013 4:25:36 AM PST by Makana
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Remember the Crusader “Gun”?

Another money pit that was just too big.


12 posted on 02/26/2013 4:33:36 AM PST by Flintlock
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How many gallons per mile does an 84 ton tracked vehicle require?


15 posted on 02/26/2013 5:46:25 AM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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I tried and never finished a sci-fi story that had vehicles as large as naval ships, lol. I didn’t really think the US would head in that direction though


16 posted on 02/26/2013 6:12:26 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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The Stryker was Shinseki’s plan to compete with the Marines for budget. We were going to fly Strykers into the combat zone in C-130s. They would roll off the aircraft anywhere in the world and bravely defeat our enemies. They encountered the same old problems. You have to make them light to transport them by air. That means RPGs and other anti-tank weapons can seriously harm them. They have to be big if you’re going to transport an Infantry squad in them. Big vehicles are easier to hit. The Air Force doesn’t want to use its money and equipment transporting the Army. The Navy doesn’t want to use its money and equipment transporting the Army. So, we have the Stryker......a vehicle crewed by the finest Soldiers in the world, that does none of the things that it’s supposed to do.


17 posted on 02/26/2013 6:41:15 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Is this supposed to be a Bolo Mark I? (The Bolo series is highly recommended btw)
18 posted on 02/26/2013 7:27:59 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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Don't think you could get more than one on a C-17.

5.56mm

22 posted on 02/26/2013 12:29:57 PM PST by M Kehoe
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