[highball]

I'd be receptive to your ideas of how to prevent the destruction of the liberty and dignity of Americans

I'll tell you this - social engineering won't actually do that. Creating laws that encourage people to ignore the law won't do that.

What you're describing isn't "liberty". It's statism.

[Mrs. Don-o]

What the LGBTHIV movement is doing right now is statism on steroids: it's using coercive governing power to crush dissent, silence one sort of speech, dictate another, sweep away free institutions with fines and confiscations, all to advance a disordered behavior which impedes healthy family formation and physical and mental well-being.

Tis is a form of behavior which was proscribed by custom and by law when this country was dramatically freer than it is now.

Do you think that pre-Lawrence, penile anal penetration was suppressed by surveillance, arrests, and prosecutions? It was not. It was counteracted by pervasive social disapproval, almost universal non-cooperation, and open disgust. But the statists (plus the hedonists) post-Lawrence are making social disapproval illegal; non-cooperation, discrimination; and disgust, hate speech. They are penalizing individuals, businesses, professions, private associations and institutions (see that previous bullet-pointed post).

Those who love liberty should focus on preserving their virtues, not their vices. Because by virtue you rule yourself; by vice, you are ruled.