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5.33pm GMT: A Catholic mass is now being held for Chavez, Virginia Lopez writes, officiated by Monsignor Mario Moronta, pastor Alexis Romero Valera and American civil rights leader the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

5.37pm GMT: Here's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad kissing Hugo Chavez's coffin earlier,

5.49pm GMT; Jackson says life is uncertain, but a life of service matters. We pray to God that Chavez finds peace and acceptance for his service, he says. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog...-live-coverage

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Rome - The Holy Mass in honor of the late President of Venezuela Hugo Rafael Chavez Frias will be held tomorrow Friday, March 8 at 7 pm in the Church of Santa Maria ai Monti, Via della Madonna dei Monti, 41, presided by Cardinal Jorge Urosa Savino, Archbishop of Caracas who is in Rome to attend the conclave that will elect the new Pope.This was communicated to Fides by Cardinal Urosa Savino himself and called on all Venezuelans to participate in the Eucharist. http://www.news.va/en/news/americave...-the-late-pres

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CARDINAL Jorge Urosa Sabino, Archbishop of Venezuela, who is in the Vatican to participate in the conclave to appoint a new pope, announced that he will celebrate in Rome: A public Mass to pray for the eternal repose of President Chávez.

This, despite the fact that Chávez, who died this week aged 58, had a major falling out with the Church a few years back. According to this report, in 2008, he called Cardinal Urosa “a troglodyte” and warned the Vatican that, as long as the cardinal remained as archbishop of Caracas:

I will remain very far away from the Church. - http://freethinker.co.uk/2013/03/07/troglodite-catholic-cardinal-will-hold-a-public-mass-in-rome-for-late-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez/

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Chávez was a Catholic. He intended at one time to become a priest. He saw his socialist policies (Liberation Theology) as having roots in the teachings of Jesus Christ,[361] and he publicly used the slogan of "Christ is with the Revolution!"[362] He had some disputes with both the Venezuelan Catholic clergy and Protestant groups like the New Tribes Mission.[363][364] Although he traditionally kept his own faith a private matter, Chávez over the course of his presidency became increasingly open to discussing his religious views, stating that both his faith and his version of Jesus' personal life and ideology had a profound impact on his Liberation Theology. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#Personal_life

1 posted on 03/08/2013 9:01:51 PM PST by daniel1212
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> “clinging to Christ.”

And the two billion dollars he stole.


42 posted on 03/09/2013 1:01:31 AM PST by ArcadeQuarters (Socialism is slavery)
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Looks like Cardinal Urosa has been a true pastor. Despite being publcly insulted and humiliated by Chavez, he turned the other cheek and provided ministry to him in his last days.

Anyone who criticizes the Church on this one has never read the Bible and is not a Christian.

59 posted on 03/09/2013 4:23:00 AM PST by wideawake
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If Heaven is filled with the likes of Hugo Chavez then I’d rather go to Hell.


60 posted on 03/09/2013 4:24:12 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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Who am I to judge if the fat commie bastard Hugo, whether or not he will enter into the heavenly gates

Only God knows...

If it was my call...he would be Satan boy toy...

64 posted on 03/09/2013 4:36:41 AM PST by Popman
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Now why do I get the feeling that the ones calling loudest for Chavez to be eternally damned, would be the first to squawk at the idea of Purgatory....


66 posted on 03/09/2013 4:45:09 AM PST by Eepsy
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I can understand why a church or an individual Christian would want to give the opportunity to someone to repent and embrace Jesus and his message while they lived. I do not understand why a church would support those who lived unrepentant lives, who twisted their teachings, who actively worked against their teachings, some kind of huge honor in death.

Chavez, Kennedy, and lots of others. The church reaction to them on their death just seems wrong. I can understand why the Marxists such as Jesse, and Sean Penn et al would grieve, but why a church would want to put some kind of official stamp on an unrepentant brigand is beyond me. The RC does a lot of fine things, it seems this is not one of them.

RC believers, please explain this if you would. Before death, I can understand the attempts, after.........it just seems flat out wrong.

80 posted on 03/09/2013 6:51:47 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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A Catholic mass is now being held for Chavez, Virginia Lopez writes, officiated by Monsignor Mario Moronta, pastor Alexis Romero Valera and American civil rights leader the Reverend (never ordained, never had a congregation) Jesse Jackson.

So others who are not Catholic can lead a mass, participate in a mass as a "priest," not just properly ordained Catholic priests?

Jackson says life is uncertain, but a life of service matters. We pray to God that Chavez finds peace and acceptance for his service

I believe God will deal with his "service" appropriately.

Here's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad kissing Hugo Chavez's coffin earlier

I think God will take note of that endorsement.

Cardinal Urosa Savino...called on all Venezuelans to participate in the Eucharist.

Is this an exception or are non-Catholics allowed to participate in the Eucharist at any time? I'm assuming that not "all Venezuelans" are Catholic. Or maybe for an event such as this, all Venezuelans are considered Catholic?

...he (Chavez) called Cardinal Urosa “a troglodyte” and warned the Vatican that, as long as the cardinal remained as archbishop of Caracas:

I will remain very far away from the Church.

Would that automatically put him "very far away" from God?

Chávez was a Catholic.

Oh, OK.

Chávez over the course of his presidency became increasingly open to discussing his religious views, stating that both his faith and his version [oh my, that is interesting] of Jesus' personal life and ideology had a profound impact on his Liberation Theology.

Well if it wasn't for "his version" I would imagine that the "impact" would have led Chavez to denounce his un-Godly belief in Liberation Theology. Nice to see he goes along with Obama's mentor and pastor, the "Reverend" Jeremiah (God d*** America) Wright, and Obama's beliefs also.

81 posted on 03/09/2013 7:23:55 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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Commie Chavez was a cancerous tumor in the breast of the Church, meybe...


86 posted on 03/09/2013 9:07:08 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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It's certainly possible...but I,for one,am skeptical.The thief who was crucified along side of Christ was,in fact,promised paradise as he was dying.I was always taught that there's nothing that God won't forgive *if* a *sincere* confession is made and the proper penance is performed.*We* can never be sure if that happened or not...but out Creator certainly is.
88 posted on 03/09/2013 9:30:06 AM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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>>>>The source in Venezuela told CNA that during the last weeks of his life, Chavez requested spiritual direction and asked to receive the sacraments. <<<<

Faced with his impending death Hugo Chavez requested spiritual direction and asked to receive the Sacraments, one of which is reconciliation/absolution.

However poorly he lived his faith in Jesus, he did profess such a faith in Him and on his deathbed did come to the Church before he died.

That is enough to have a Catholic funeral. The funeral is the final prayer for the soul of someone, not an endorsement nor a golden ticket to heaven.

The Church did exactly what it is to do by praying for the repose of his soul. Is there something wrong with that?


89 posted on 03/09/2013 10:24:30 AM PST by Jvette
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God will do the right thing. I think the church should shut up.


97 posted on 03/09/2013 11:32:02 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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I wish I was a bat on the wall when Satan said to Chavez...."Welcome to Lucifer's Hideaway....smoking or non-smoking?"

Leni

102 posted on 03/09/2013 11:43:03 AM PST by MinuteGal
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I sure hope Cardinal Urosa is not a leading candidate to be the next pope.


111 posted on 03/09/2013 12:27:44 PM PST by 0.E.O
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Luke

38 There was a written notice above him, which read: this is the king of the jews.

39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[d]”

43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”


118 posted on 03/09/2013 1:52:44 PM PST by EBH ( American citizens do not negotiate with political terrorists.)
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he was a murderer. I want to throw up. They are desecrating that church!!!!
124 posted on 03/09/2013 3:23:28 PM PST by GregB (There is a whole lot of stupid out there. prisoner6!)
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Nah, he lived and died in the sphincter of satan.


125 posted on 03/09/2013 3:29:12 PM PST by SparkyBass
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It’s not like he did something evil like going to Latin mass or believing in Transubstantiation.


151 posted on 03/09/2013 9:35:42 PM PST by nickcarraway
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It’s not like he did something evil like going to Latin mass or believing in Transubstantiation.


152 posted on 03/09/2013 9:37:35 PM PST by nickcarraway
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In a few moments Monkey Boy will getting his 1st Hades communion (burnt toast) from Satan. Bon appetit mofo!!!!


163 posted on 03/10/2013 6:04:36 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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I don’t think Chavez worshiped any other but himself.


196 posted on 03/12/2013 7:09:26 PM PDT by MaxMax
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