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5.33pm GMT: A Catholic mass is now being held for Chavez, Virginia Lopez writes, officiated by Monsignor Mario Moronta, pastor Alexis Romero Valera and American civil rights leader the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

5.37pm GMT: Here's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad kissing Hugo Chavez's coffin earlier,

5.49pm GMT; Jackson says life is uncertain, but a life of service matters. We pray to God that Chavez finds peace and acceptance for his service, he says. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog...-live-coverage

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Rome - The Holy Mass in honor of the late President of Venezuela Hugo Rafael Chavez Frias will be held tomorrow Friday, March 8 at 7 pm in the Church of Santa Maria ai Monti, Via della Madonna dei Monti, 41, presided by Cardinal Jorge Urosa Savino, Archbishop of Caracas who is in Rome to attend the conclave that will elect the new Pope.This was communicated to Fides by Cardinal Urosa Savino himself and called on all Venezuelans to participate in the Eucharist. http://www.news.va/en/news/americave...-the-late-pres

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CARDINAL Jorge Urosa Sabino, Archbishop of Venezuela, who is in the Vatican to participate in the conclave to appoint a new pope, announced that he will celebrate in Rome: A public Mass to pray for the eternal repose of President Chávez.

This, despite the fact that Chávez, who died this week aged 58, had a major falling out with the Church a few years back. According to this report, in 2008, he called Cardinal Urosa “a troglodyte” and warned the Vatican that, as long as the cardinal remained as archbishop of Caracas:

I will remain very far away from the Church. - http://freethinker.co.uk/2013/03/07/troglodite-catholic-cardinal-will-hold-a-public-mass-in-rome-for-late-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez/

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Chávez was a Catholic. He intended at one time to become a priest. He saw his socialist policies (Liberation Theology) as having roots in the teachings of Jesus Christ,[361] and he publicly used the slogan of "Christ is with the Revolution!"[362] He had some disputes with both the Venezuelan Catholic clergy and Protestant groups like the New Tribes Mission.[363][364] Although he traditionally kept his own faith a private matter, Chávez over the course of his presidency became increasingly open to discussing his religious views, stating that both his faith and his version of Jesus' personal life and ideology had a profound impact on his Liberation Theology. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#Personal_life

1 posted on 03/08/2013 9:01:51 PM PST by daniel1212
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Abused spouse syndrome.


2 posted on 03/08/2013 9:04:26 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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3 posted on 03/08/2013 9:04:35 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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Liberation theology is ANTI-Christ.


4 posted on 03/08/2013 9:08:10 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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Can sainthood be far behind?


5 posted on 03/08/2013 9:09:41 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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Vice President Nicolas Maduro (left) stands beside the coffin of Hugo Chavez at the military academy in Caracas Vice President Nicolas Maduro (left) stands beside the coffin of Hugo Chavez at the military academy in Caracas The presidents of Argentina, Uruguay and Bolivia stand next to the coffin of Hugo Chavez The presidents of Argentina, Uruguay and Bolivia stand next to the coffin of Hugo Chavez http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0307/374536-hugo-chavez-venezuela/
6 posted on 03/08/2013 9:09:58 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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He might have repented; we don’t know.

Once they’ve pumped his ugly hide full of preservatives and shoved it into the glass viewing casket they’re going set up for him, I hope the Venezuelans will focus on the future and take back their country. And I’m sure the Church will support this.

Chavez had serious conflicts with the Church over the years and only a few of the bishops had the guts to oppose him and stake out their territory. Probably the only reason Chavez wasn’t even worse is thanks to the Church, so while this wasn’t a perfect solution, it probably did make things easier for Christians in VZ.


8 posted on 03/08/2013 9:22:34 PM PST by livius
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Saw Jesse Jackson on c-span preaching the funeral. Penn sitting on the front row crying holding hand with a family member. Disgusting.


9 posted on 03/08/2013 9:26:05 PM PST by therut
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i beleive in death bed confessions and forgiveness, and it is a good thing I have no say in God’s Mercy.


10 posted on 03/08/2013 9:27:34 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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I knew, the instant the medicos had released you from your earthly torture. I heard satin lick his lips.

Rabin

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14 posted on 03/08/2013 9:31:05 PM PST by Rabin
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God works in mysterious ways ...


17 posted on 03/08/2013 9:39:16 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were Catholics, too. Both were altar boys as children.
19 posted on 03/08/2013 9:46:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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If he genuinely had any religion, it was probably something syncretic along the lines of santeria.


21 posted on 03/08/2013 9:54:29 PM PST by fso301
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Obviously some latin american roman catholics are very very delusional..
Hugo was evil incarnate..

Could be a problem in North America as well..


28 posted on 03/08/2013 10:08:52 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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Pretty doubtful he woke up in the bosom of Abraham. It’s more a commentary of the socialist corruption of the church.


32 posted on 03/08/2013 10:38:51 PM PST by lurk
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As to the first items as to a Mass said for Hugo Chavez in Caracas, Venezuela, cited from the Guardian (UK), the writer is flat out wrong in suggesting that the Rev. Mr. Jesse Jackson had any role in "officiating" at the Mass. He is not an ordained priest, is not a Catholic and whatever the writer may suppose, he is absolutely unqualified to receive the Eucharist much less to "officiate" at the Mass. In the event that "pastor Alexis Romero Valera" is likewise not a priest and not a Catholic, the same applies to him. Likewise, only a priest should be delivering remarks at the funeral and those remarks should be limited to the hope of those gathered for the Mass that the deceased might someday be admitted to heaven with no assumptions as to that outcome (Pelagianism).

As to Mahmoud Ahmanutjob, he has no role to play whatsoever despite his insolent prediction that the late Venezuelan dictator, among others, will accompany Christ back to earth. Let Ahmanutjob kiss his own coffin.

33 posted on 03/08/2013 11:05:43 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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It is widely known based on history,that death or near death changes many people to believers in the universal God and to seeking the means/path to an eternal existence with God which they seemingly abhorred while breathing in this world. How God deals with such people is God’s choosing.


36 posted on 03/08/2013 11:32:41 PM PST by noinfringers2
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He went for the light and that familar smell of sulfur. Chavez died in the warm embrace of Satan’s colon.


37 posted on 03/08/2013 11:34:28 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (STERILIZE OBAMA VOTERS)
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Wow, that is insane.

He isn’t going to heaven


38 posted on 03/08/2013 11:37:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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Nothing convinces me that, if he had recovered, he would have changed the direction of his life or the nature of his regime.

Only God knows, of course.

I’m sure facing death has a way of focusing your attention on the transcendental. But I don’t see any evidence that he ever thought he was wrong about anything.


39 posted on 03/08/2013 11:49:24 PM PST by marron
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If Chavez truly had faith in Christ in his heart when he died, then IMHO he was saved. But I SERIOUSLY doubt it.


41 posted on 03/08/2013 11:53:30 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.b)
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