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To: KC Burke; MrB
The age old L vs C argument: Does the virtuous man become free or is only the free man able to become virtuous.

I believe that this has been addressed very well by Os Guinness and his Golden Triangle of Freedom (Rick Santorum talked about this in speeches) ...

Freedom requires virtue, virtue requires faith and faith requires freedom and around again."

That freedom requires virtue was explained by the political philosopher Edmund Burke, who wrote: "Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites ... Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters."

Virtue requires faith because faith is the primary teacher of morality. That is not to say that one cannot be virtuous without faith, but for society as a whole faith is the indispensable agent of virtue. Faith requires freedom. Why has America remained a deeply religious country averting the road to secularism traveled by our European brothers and sisters? Again Madison's "true remedy," the combination of "free exercise" and no religious state supported monopoly, has created a vibrant marketplace of religions extolling everywhere the word of God to inspire people to fulfill His special plan for each of us. Our founders' inspired brilliance created a paradigm that has given America the best chance of any civilization in the history of man to endure the test of time. Time, this time now in American history is putting that to the test.

24 posted on 03/13/2013 7:03:46 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

If a people is incapable of governing themselves individually,
external governance will be required in order to control them.

Did someone already post this quote?
Men must be governed by God or they will be ruled by tyrants - William Penn


26 posted on 03/13/2013 7:06:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Servant of the Cross
...men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters."

That was my tag line here for about six years after we added the tag line box.

50 posted on 03/13/2013 1:17:29 PM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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