Posted on 03/13/2013 7:48:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Backgrounder to the case:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/13/nyregion/gilberto-valle-is-found-guilty-in-cannibal-case.html
EXCERPT:
A New York police officer was convicted on Tuesday in a bizarre plot to kidnap, torture, kill and eat women, ending a trial whose outcome hinged on a delicate distinction between fantasy and reality.
The trial had drawn widespread attention, in part because it involved an officer’s disturbing behavior, but also because it raised a fundamental question: When does a virtual crime, contemplated in Internet chat rooms, become an actual crime?
There was no evidence that any of the women whom the officer, Gilberto Valle, was accused of plotting to kill were harmed. But prosecutors argued that the officer took actual steps to further his plot, like conducting surveillance of potential victims.
Mr. Valle, 28, could receive life in prison for one count of kidnapping conspiracy when he is sentenced on June 19. The Police Department fired him upon conviction.
His lawyer, Julia L. Gatto, called the verdict “devastating” and said the government had not proved its case. “This was a thought prosecution,” she said. “These are thoughts, very ugly thoughts, but we don’t prosecute people for their thoughts. And we’ll continue to appeal and continue to fight for Mr. Valle.”
The trial highlighted some of the darkest corners of the Internet, where fetishists hide behind Web identities like Girlmeat Hunter — the name that Mr. Valle used — and engage in role-playing fantasy about cannibalism and sexual torture.
Don’t worry, Valle! Soon enough the death-worshiping Leftists will make paraphilia another sexual orientation!
So what would be the use of a mental test for purchasing a firearm, if one never did anything bad, but just fantasized about it?
Would this guy have passed the test?
And another protected class.
This is the movie MINORITY REPORT come to life. I understand that this guy is probably a sicko but if he actually did nothing...............well this is scary that you can be arrested annd convicted for doing nothing......WOW
Be careful what you post even on FR.... just sayin’
Reading to many erotic fantasy snuff comics!
Err I think when people read dark fantasy they open themselves to demons.
This is clearly a mental illness, and he should not be a cop, but life in prison for a perverted fantasy? If that is the standard no one is safe. Keep your personal behaviors to yourself!
“which included accessing the National Crime Information Center’s database from his NYPD patrol car computer”
There’s the ‘catch’. If it was unauthorized use then that is why he was found guilty. If he had authorized access to the database then he is not guilty.
But we all knew that the thought police were avid already. It is another nail in the coffin.
I guess for Halloween this year, I will be wearing an Easter bunny costume.
You don’t get life in prison for unauthorized computer access. That sentence is for the conspiracy conviction.
US law is specific---one who contemplates and verbalizes committing a crime does do not have to "complete" the crime before L/E steps in.
His conviction also included "accessing the National Crime Information Center’s database" from his NYPD patrol car computer”.
IMO, that was the clincher--b/c he was fantasizing UNTIL he took concrete steps to find the women he wanted to cannibalize.
Thanks for educating me, it just sounds like a very fine line to me.
In my opinion, he was NOT guilty of conspiracy to kidnap, because, as the article explains, there was no identified victim, and no evidence of attempts to carry out any crime.
You should be allowed to WRITE about committing a crime, without being convicted of it.
However, is was certainly guilty of illegal access to a database. He had no right to use his position an an officer to get information from the crime database. And if he shared that information with others, I would think there could be additional charges for that as well, but I guess he didn’t.
I know, people want to be “safe”, but we can’t give up our liberties in the hopes that occasionally we might catch a criminal. We can’t arrest a thousand people for writing about a crime, just so that in one case we stop the actual crime.
We cannot get into “pre-crime”. When we prosecute people for what they think about doing, we have stepped over a line to tyranny. A person should be allowed to think about doing bad, so long as they stop themselves before they actually start to do bad.
He didn’t “actually do nothing”. He illegally accessed the police database and conducted surveillance on chosen targets.
He says it was just fantasy, but he took physical actions in furtherance of making those fantasies into reality.
I heard that Judge will probably only give him counseling and no jail time. He will go to a psych hospital until he is better and then released. This is a very slippery slope though.
Beat me to it. If a sexual orientation can be classified as a mental illness, what distinguishes paraphilia from homosexuality on that basis? Sure, killing people is a lot worse than having sex with your own sex, but they are are both just “sexual orientations”. Right. Like pedophilia, for example.
Must be political. Homosexuality used to be classified as a mental illness, but not anymore. It was homosexuality that changed.
Soon enough the death-worshiping Leftists will make paraphilia another sexual orientation!
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Exactly. My thoughts as I was reading this were that the left has been constantly pushing more and more deviancy.
Up until the 1970s, premarital sex and shacking up were not the norm for the majority of Americans. The entertainment industry started advancing aggressively the narrative that chastity was some sort of useless throwback, a notion that held women back from achieving true happiness. Unfortunately, many bought into this paradigm. So much so that people unabashedly announce that they are living together outside of marriage and even have children in such an arrangement.
Next, they rolled out homosexuality as acceptable, and here we are with huge numbers of people becoming accepting of calling homosexual pairings “marriage”.
Well, along with getting those accomplishments wrapped up, they started working on all sorts of perversions within heterosexual activities, such as S&M.
I remember being so appalled when they came out with the Hannibal Lector (sp?) series of movies. I did, at the time, conclude that the movie industry was pushing the envelope for some agenda, but it did not dawn on me until years later that they were trying to normalize yet another deviant, evil behavior. I have led a pretty sheltered life so I was not aware that this sort of behavior had a sexual involvement.
The vampire trend has a place in all of this, I am sure. No, please don’t tell me....
At any rate, the left is doing the devil’s bidding in all of this, and they have the media to thank for much of their success. I have often wondered in recent years how much of this has been accomplished through subliminal messages. I wish someone on our side with the technical know-how would analyze some movies, especially Disney and others aimed at children.
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