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North Dakota passes most restrictive abortion bills in nation
Fox News ^ | March 15, 2013 | Barnini Chakraborty

Posted on 03/15/2013 2:08:02 PM PDT by Olog-hai

North Dakota’s Senate passed a pair of anti-abortion measures Friday that are considered to be the most restrictive in the nation, including one that would prevent women from having an abortion based on a genetic defect.

The measures now to go to Republican Gov. Jack Dalrymple who has indicated he will sign them.

The new state laws are even more strict than one finalized last week in Arkansas that would make the procedure illegal after 12 weeks of pregnancy. One North Dakota measure would prevent women from having abortions based on a genetic defect, like Down syndrome. The other would ban doctors from performing an abortion if a fetal heartbeat is detected—as early as five or six weeks. …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: abortion; antiabortion; northdakota; roevwade

1 posted on 03/15/2013 2:08:03 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Why did ND elect a ‘Rat to the Senate in the last election cycle? That seat should have been a slam dunk.


2 posted on 03/15/2013 2:21:33 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: bassmaner

Look for the union label.

LOTTA folk up there workin’ in the trades to support the energy sector. Hard workers; not necessarily hard-thinkers. All it takes is a few “heavies” among the Stewards, and everybody down-line ‘ll pony up with their votes on election day. Been done ‘n’ seen.


3 posted on 03/15/2013 2:29:04 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Cultures succumb not to ideas, but to superior cultures. Invoke the "Super Culture." Matt. 9:38)
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To: Olog-hai

As it should be.


4 posted on 03/15/2013 2:37:03 PM PDT by laplata
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To: HKMk23

few if any voted or even knew how easy it is to vote in North Dakota.

just provide a document with a ND adress on it proving you have lived in the state for the correct amount of time


5 posted on 03/15/2013 2:45:39 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: South Dakota

how did a rat get elected there , shouldn;t we have won that seat?


6 posted on 03/15/2013 3:10:03 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: HKMk23

“Hard workers; not necessarily hard-thinkers.”

It would be a stretch to call them “hard workers”. Union members are some of the laziest “workers” I have seen... never seen a union “worker” who was worth his pay regardless of industry. And they are about not delivering their labor, but fulfilling their quota.

The only reason unions exist is to force the businesses to overpay what actually worth of those goons.


7 posted on 03/15/2013 3:18:53 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Olog-hai
"One North Dakota measure would prevent women from having abortions based on a genetic defect,"

If my bff listened to her doctors badgering, her first 2 born would not be alive today.

They are now a healthy and smart 12 year old girl and 8 year old boy.

Her "doctors" advised her they both had the same defect, don't remember the name, but something to do with a hole in their brain, if I remember correctly.

Her and her husband went through heck with all this genetic counseling they had to go through to "prepare" themselves for the loss of their babies.....IF born.

The 1st I can see, fine. However, that turned out to be a huge mistake. But her 2nd, with the same "abnormality" and her doctors PUSHING her to abort, just as they did to her 1st born?

Yes, same doctor. It's something we bring up often. The "what if" I listened to them. She would be left with 1 out of 3 children this day.

She fought them tooth and nail. Even if they never made it to full gestation, or did so and died shortly thereafter, she could NOT bring herself to murder her child.

After what she went through with her 1st born, which is already stressful enough to a new mother, she was all "eff you" regarding her second (1st as well, but not as strongly).

8 posted on 03/15/2013 4:47:23 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Olog-hai

Amen!


9 posted on 03/15/2013 4:58:56 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: manc
Sure we should have won there.

But along comes Todd Aiken and Mourdock, and surprise, the average voter sees republicans as kooks.

I must admit, if I saw the commercials, I would have voted democrat, too.

Republicans need to learn that ANYTHING they say will be turned against them.

There's stupid, and there's republican stupid.

And there's nothing like republican stupid.

If you don't know how to answer a simple question, keep your big yapper shut.

10 posted on 03/15/2013 5:41:44 PM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: sagar

I’m a union member, and From ND. I am sure there are other union members here on FR.


11 posted on 03/15/2013 6:02:40 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: bassmaner

Probably because even in North Dakota the Rats tell lies like a whale drinks water. And he low info voters couldn’t tell the difference.


12 posted on 03/15/2013 6:33:39 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: manc; HKMk23; bassmaner

You didn’t read the article did you?

It should have been labeled:
“North Dakota passes most restrictive aint-abortion bills in nation”


13 posted on 03/15/2013 6:38:56 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: dynoman

Then you should defiantly read the article its not what the title seems to suggest.

This is good for pro-life folks, the title & terminology used just doesn’t make any sense.


14 posted on 03/15/2013 6:44:09 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: South Dakota
I haven't lived in North Dakota since 1988 and am surprised they haven't tightened voting requirements for all the newcomers. Back in those day, poll workers generally knew everyone who showed up to vote in their precinct. We were that small and close-knit.

Prior to the early 1960s, you didn't even need a driver's license within the state. You also didn't need a pistol permit, open or concealed.

15 posted on 03/15/2013 6:51:13 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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Bitches pissed, noobs relieved.


16 posted on 03/15/2013 7:19:23 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Monorprise

I got that part; it isn’t what I was responding to.

The question I was addressing was “How — given the passage of these way Conservative anti-abortion bills — did ND end up sending a ‘rat to the U.S. Senate?”

If the electorate are as Conservative as these bills strongly suggest, why on Earth did the pull the lever for a ‘rat Senator?

The electoral dissonance makes no sense. ND puts a ‘rat in the U.S. Senate, but sends enough Conservatives to its own Legislature to swing the State to a more anti-abortion stance than any of the other 49 States?

I was just trying to explain how that happens without using the term “schizophrenia.” That’s all.

If you’ve got any more “inside baseball” than I do; please elucidate.


17 posted on 03/15/2013 7:45:06 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Cultures succumb not to ideas, but to superior cultures. Invoke the "Super Culture." Matt. 9:38)
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To: dynoman; sagar

Labor unions permit laziness, but that doesn’t mean all the members are lazy. To the contrary, most arduous forms of labor are represented in one way or another by labor unions. I have the greatest respect for the individual that works a hard week. Show me a man that works a hundred hours a week, and I’ll trade stories.

Collective bargaining against tax payer dollars must be outlawed. Unions should thrive in the private sector providing any form of intimidation and thuggery is prosecuted to the maximum extent possible.

These are my views as a conservative libertarian. Individuals must have the right in the private sector to jointly represent themselves — however, I hold the collective mindset in contempt as a degenerate imposition on a free society.

Any union is fortunate to have the man. No man should boast about belonging to a union.


18 posted on 03/15/2013 7:52:32 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: HKMk23

North Dakota is a right-to-work state.

The oil patch isn’t unionized in any way, shape or form, never has been.

The left-wing candidate won because she’s been around state politics forever, her brother has a statewide radio show, she ran AGAINST Obama on many issues and as a pro-oil, pro-gun, pro-farmer, pro-family candidate in constant, warm, flag-tinged ads from beginning to end.

The Republican candidate wasn’t as smooth as she was and sounded mostly like a griper against Washington, while she campaigned as a champion for small-town (and big university) North Dakotans.

Furthermore North Dakota is still heavily Scandinavian and by history and by practice is still given to a kind of limited collectivism, the idea that you give your neighbor a helping hand carried to community and state level.

Finally North Dakotans (farmers, older people, Indians and university types) are famous for sending bacon-bagging Dems to Washington while electing staunch conservatives and penny-pinchers closer to home.


19 posted on 03/15/2013 8:02:53 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: bassmaner

Because of Todd Akin’s ego.


20 posted on 03/15/2013 10:11:14 PM PDT by Hoodat (I stand with Rand.)
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To: boop
If you don't know how to answer a simple question, keep your big yapper shut.

Ditto. And when you do say something stupid, and when your stupid comment puts in jeopardy every other race in the nation, then do the right thing and withdraw. But like you said, there's stupid, and then there's Republican stupid.

21 posted on 03/15/2013 10:13:57 PM PDT by Hoodat (I stand with Rand.)
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To: HKMk23

I’ve thought about that a lot in regard to the contrast between the house election, senate and Presidential election.

It seems to me the most logical explication would be differences in turn out. Perhaps an indication of fraud based vote inflation and/or get out the vote effort advantages by the democrats, in specific urban areas.

Basically the corrupt democratic precits in urban areas producing much higher than normal vote totals throwing off state wide elections, but of course due to districting are unable to throw off the other state local elections.


22 posted on 03/15/2013 10:15:49 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Fightin Whitey

Thanks for the in-depth analysis. For my part, I think I’d prefer the good people of North Dakota swapping their habits; I’d far rather they start sending the CONSERVATIVES to Washington D.C. and keep the liberal tendencies of their Democrats all to themselves although — being here in CA — I know how hard that can be. Our rural and suburban Conservative and moderate Republican votes just get overwhelmed by the libtard votes from our big metro regions.

Thanks, again, for the ‘splainin’.


23 posted on 03/16/2013 2:24:46 AM PDT by HKMk23 (Cultures succumb not to ideas, but to superior cultures. Invoke the "Super Culture." Matt. 9:38)
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To: NoGrayZone

And why did she continue going to that doctor?

As a patient, I would have a hard time trusting a physician who sees nothing wrong with killing, or who would rather take the easy way out of killing the (unborn) patient rather than dealing with the problem.


24 posted on 03/16/2013 4:53:06 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

I have no idea. I try very hard with her, but she is one of those people who “don’t like to make waves”.


25 posted on 03/16/2013 5:56:32 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: bassmaner

Mitt Romney apparently had negative coattails.


26 posted on 03/16/2013 7:34:10 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: NoGrayZone

I’d not be here myself if my mother had listened to her doctor....


27 posted on 03/16/2013 7:52:20 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Hoodat

Good thing we have folks like Portman to help us Progress!


28 posted on 03/16/2013 8:04:20 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Thank the Good Lord! (((hug)))


29 posted on 03/16/2013 8:40:46 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Thanks!! You’re a sweetheart! :D


30 posted on 03/16/2013 8:46:02 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Right back at you!


31 posted on 03/16/2013 8:47:32 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Olog-hai

Liberals are going to complain that this is a violation of their civil rights, because why not be able to erase the consequences of bad decisions, ie promiscuous, unprotected sex.

The disconnect between logic and intelligence is startling.


32 posted on 03/16/2013 11:27:19 AM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: HKMk23
I’d prefer the good people of North Dakota swapping their habits;

With you on that, brother. Or maybe just change their habits and elect tightwads to everything.

But the farmers want/need the farm program, seniors like to vote for their programs, and the university towns (the two largest in the state) are always after their stash too.

Get 'em hooked on the freebie I.V. and it's hell to break the habit, hey?

33 posted on 03/16/2013 11:39:22 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: dynoman

“I’m a union member, and From ND. I am sure there are other union members here on FR.”

Can I ask you something? Do you honestly believe that your wages/benefits are not inflated by your union’s extortions?


34 posted on 03/16/2013 11:53:36 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Gene Eric

“Labor unions permit laziness, but that doesn’t mean all the members are lazy.”

Not all turds smell either. Now, you would not say that certain turds are okay just because a different type of turd smells worse.


35 posted on 03/16/2013 11:55:59 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar
“Can I ask you something? Do you honestly believe that your wages/benefits are not inflated by your union’s extortions?”

Yes I can honestly say that my wages/benefits are not inflated by the union's extortions.

The union was the recognised bargaining entity when I started working where I work, the only choice I had was to be a part of that process or not.

Dealing with the management staff where I work as the union unit president has clearly showed me why unions came to be, if it weren't for the work of the people in our union unit our employee's wages/benefits would be severely deflated by management's extortions.

36 posted on 03/17/2013 5:27:43 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: dynoman

“if it weren’t for the work of the people in our union unit our employee’s wages/benefits would be severely deflated by management’s extortions.”

In a free-market economy, if the business pays an employee less, then that must be because that employee is worth less. That employee can move on to greener pasture, assuming that the employee is worth more elsewhere. If he is not worth more elsewhere, why would he expect to more in his current employment? Do you disagree?

Unions have absolutely no place in a free-market and free-will economy. The only reason the unions exist is to pervert the supply of labor... in most cases, unskilled labor, aka drones. Individual rights and business rights are trampled, while the collective gets fatter and more corrupt.


37 posted on 03/17/2013 11:05:59 AM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar
We don’t have a laissez-faire free market economy do we - that is the fatal flaw. There is way too much totalitarianism if not that crony capitalism. The management philsophy I work under is not what you see in Gault's Gultch, no, it's more like what you would hear from Wesley Mouch. And unions are not to blame for that.
38 posted on 03/17/2013 11:49:41 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: dynoman

“We don’t have a laissez-faire free market economy do we - that is the fatal flaw. There is way too much totalitarianism if not that crony capitalism. The management philsophy I work under is not what you see in Gault’s Gultch, no, it’s more like what you would hear from Wesley Mouch. And unions are not to blame for that.”

Granted that the business is corrupt, but why are you working for them? You (and other workers) could leave such a corrupt environment(aka exercising your choice). Most likely situation is that you(not personally, but union workers in general) are so ingrained in the corruption that they have become part of the problem itself (along with the cronies).


39 posted on 03/17/2013 11:56:57 AM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

I’m trading time for money.

The union employees here are not “so ingrained in the corruption that they have become part of the problem itself”. The staff employees where I work get treated worse than the union employees!


40 posted on 03/17/2013 12:08:49 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: HKMk23

That doesn’t wash in a right to work state. Besides, the energy sector counties didn’t vote for Heitkamp, it was mostly the East side of the state (the part without any oil). Reservations went Dem, as usual, but you could have run Abe Lincoln as a Democrat and they’d have voted for him—it’s a ticket vote (not sure why).


41 posted on 03/17/2013 6:30:06 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: HKMk23
I think I’d prefer the good people of North Dakota swapping their habits; I’d far rather they start sending the CONSERVATIVES to Washington D.C. and keep the liberal tendencies of their Democrats

Yeah. but it is one way to ship the liberals a long ways from here.

42 posted on 03/17/2013 6:35:49 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Reservations went Dem, as usual...it’s a ticket vote (not sure why).

Hell, you could elect Custer's great-great-great grandson on the Rez, if you ran him as a Democrat.

That's who they get all the beads & trinkets from these days, in fact always have...and at present it is a LOT.

43 posted on 03/17/2013 6:46:14 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Olog-hai
The other would ban doctors from performing an abortion if a fetal heartbeat is detected—as early as five or six weeks. …

I think this is the constitutional way to go. Women may have a manufactured right to privacy, but doctors do not.

44 posted on 03/17/2013 7:01:03 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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