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Rob Portman, Gay Marriage, and Selfishness
New York Magazine ^ | 3/16/2013 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 03/15/2013 2:45:48 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Norm Lenhart

I have used this point, only to be met with the typical liberal “that’s different!”. It’s not.

The widely accepted, traditional relationship in Western civilization has been one man committing to one woman, and trying to have children, to continue our civilization. Now, throughout our history, many people have walked outside of the normal when it comes to their sexual desires. Some men love foot-worship and bondage. Some women love rape-fantasies and spanking. Others engage in more deviant things like incest, homosexuality, bestiality, and polyamory.
Whatever you do behind closed doors, in privacy, is your own business. I not only have no right to tell two consenting adults what they can and can’t do, but I also don’t want to hear about it. It’s private. It’s deeply personal.

I don’t agree with selling these things to children as ‘normal’ or ‘desirable’. The only thing that is normal and desirable is the nuclear family, the core of our society. That is it. Having parades and public university lectures on these things is the same as public nudism. It should be covered under public indecency laws. When you step into the public arena, there is a traditional expectation that you are respectful and decent, regardless of how out-of-the-ordinary you are behind closed doors.

Liberals are all hypocrites. There are no immediate, practical reasons beyond those that apply to regular homosexuality, to oppose incestuous homosexuality. Both are taboo for the same reason. Morality. Biblical-based morality. The foundation of our society. You can’t throw centuries of Judeo-Christian tradition and ethics overboard for one group of sexual misfits, and then haul it back into the boat again for another group. It’s lunacy.


41 posted on 03/15/2013 4:53:43 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: nickcarraway

There is something about him that makes my skin crawl.
To me he is just another opportunistic, old-guard republican.
I thought it was a good move for conservatism when the predictions he would be picked as the 2012 VP candidate turned out to be wrong.


42 posted on 03/15/2013 5:01:38 PM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: River Hawk
In contrast, Alan Keyes has a lesbian daughter, yet still opposes gay marriage, though of course he loves his daughter. It’s the failure to make such distinctions that’s a wide problem in contemporary society.

It is as the Church teaches, hate the sin, love the sinner.

43 posted on 03/15/2013 5:19:45 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: xzins
So as long as your son is into something, it's OK.

Rob Portman's son molests children and rapes their dead bodies.

So he's changed his mind, because Lord knows, whatever your child is into, it must be good and supported.

44 posted on 03/15/2013 5:32:51 PM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: nickcarraway
"Now it's different, you know. I hadn't expected to be in this position. But I do think, you know, having spent a lot of time thinking about it and working through this issue personally that, you know, this is where I am, for reasons that are consistent with my political philosophy, including family values, including being a conservative who believes the family is a building block of society, so I'm comfortable there now."

...and homosexual sex fits neatly into this family perspective how exactly?

I assume he loves his child; HOWEVER, he does not choose to have sex with his child. He is wrong to equate love with sex and family with homosexual sex.

45 posted on 03/15/2013 9:59:55 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: nickcarraway

If his son shot and killed someone, I guess that would now be acceptable to RINO worms.


46 posted on 03/16/2013 5:59:58 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: nickcarraway
Maybe I was confusing. Gay groups are fervently pro-abortion, and believe someone who is pro-life is just as bad or worse than someone who is against same-sex marriage. I’ve heard them say being pro-life is gay bashing.

Gay groups are quite militant nowadays, as are gays in general. But there are pro-life gay groups online and maybe in the real world as well -- some in places where you might not think there are any gays, and some in places where you might not think there are any pro-lifers.

Single issue groups get a bad rap in politics for being divisive. The gay marriage claque may deserve it, but the pro-life movement has been pretty good about not second-guessing or writing off people.

This may be part of a general move to the left by Portman or it may not be, but the pro-life movement, so far as I can tell, still wants his vote, and they may still get it, however stray individuals may react.

47 posted on 03/16/2013 11:48:51 AM PDT by x
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To: nickcarraway

I would note that Jonathan Chait, who wrote this, was also the author of “Why I Hate George W. Bush” back in 2003, a rollicking defense of the kind of emotionality and subjectivism in politics that he deplores here.


48 posted on 03/16/2013 11:55:19 AM PDT by x
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To: broken_arrow1
Portman was elected by the voters of Ohio based on the positions and values he communicated to them in his Senate campaign, not his son's positions and values.

If Portman was intellectually and philosophically honest, he would resign his senate seat and request that Kasich appoint his son.

Of course from the sounds of things, his son's seat is already filled.

49 posted on 03/16/2013 12:00:33 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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