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To: BroJoeK
I don't agree, of course, since there was no major expansion of Federal powers until the Progressive Era beginning about 100 years ago.

Really?! What do you call waiting for Congress to go home, then launching a major war that ends with the South in ashes?

In 1870, 20% of the Mississippi state budget went for prostheses for war veterans.

In what skittles-and-unicorns sense is that not "expansion of federal powers"?

204 posted on 03/25/2013 2:41:20 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
What do you call waiting for Congress to go home, then launching a major war that ends with the South in ashes?

A delusional fairytale.

206 posted on 03/25/2013 4:06:38 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: lentulusgracchus

True, Lincoln became a defacto dictator, we had an income tax and habus corpus was suspended. That alone was a huge expansion of Federal powers. Thank God a lot of it was stopped after the war but it did set a stage to what we have seen 50 years later and even today. I know myself, I was born here in PA, but I do, or would have, a lot of sympathy for the Confederates, well, I guess I come from the “Alabama part” of PA. B-) Lincoln did not really care which way to go on the slave issue, it was a side issue at best, like having a sinus or lung infection as a result of having a bad case of the flu, it was just another weapon in the war.


209 posted on 03/25/2013 6:43:36 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: lentulusgracchus
lentulusgracchus: "What do you call waiting for Congress to go home, then launching a major war that ends with the South in ashes?"

I'd call that a Neo-Confederate myth, since it's not what happened in real history.
In real history, Congress served its normal session from March 4 until March 28 and then adjourned as usual.

But Lincoln's deadline for action on Fort Sumter -- as per Major Anderson's reports -- was April 15, and Lincoln spent that time trying to find some peaceful solution.
For example, even as late as April 4, Lincoln again offered to trade Fort Sumter for a promise of Virginia not declaring secession -- an offer again rejected by Virginia's Unionist leadership.

And in the end, Lincoln never "launched a major war" until after the Confederacy had provoked, started and formally declared war on the United States, on May 6, 1861.

In his response to the Confederacy's assault on Fort Sumter, Lincoln called for a highly unusual special secession of Congress, to begin July 4, in which session Congress approved everything Lincoln had done.

lentulusgracchus: "In 1870, 20% of the Mississippi state budget went for prostheses for war veterans.
In what skittles-and-unicorns sense is that not 'expansion of federal powers'? "

The US Constitution provides for the Federal Government to repel invasions and suppress rebellions.
So no expansion of constitutionally delegated authority was necessary to defeat a Confederate military power, after it had launched and declared major war on the United States.

240 posted on 03/28/2013 1:29:59 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Really?! What do you call waiting for Congress to go home, then launching a major war that ends with the South in ashes?

Do you mean when Jeff Davis waited for the US Congress to go home on recess before he fired on Fort Sumter?

250 posted on 03/29/2013 6:57:20 PM PDT by Ditto
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