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Royal Canadian Air Force asked to transport Toronto Zoo elephants to California
Toronto Sun ^ | March 21, 2013 | Don Peat

Posted on 03/21/2013 5:55:52 PM PDT by Squawk 8888

Operation Dumbo Drop is not yet a go.

ZooCheck Canada is asking the Royal Canadian Air Force to transport the Toronto Zoo’s three elephants to an animal sanctuary in California. Toronto Zoo officials met with Zoocheck and representatives from the Department of National Defence at the zoo Thursday as part of a “fact-finding process”.

Council has ordered the three elephants — Iringa, Toka and Thika — to be sent to the PAWS sanctuary and the meeting was meant to explore the scope of the request to move the elephants onboard a military plane.

Zoocheck campaign director Julie Woodyer said she was feeling optimistic the RCAF would agree to transport the elephants.

Woodyer submitted requests to both the RCAF and the U.S. military. American officials said no.

“Plan B is road travel,” she said. “There is no other aircraft options. If the Canadian government says no then we’ll have to look at ground transport.”

(Excerpt) Read more at torontosun.com ...


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1 posted on 03/21/2013 5:55:52 PM PDT by Squawk 8888
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To: Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; Cannoneer No. 4; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

2 posted on 03/21/2013 5:56:57 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Squawk 8888

That puts a new twist to flying south for Winter!


3 posted on 03/21/2013 5:57:14 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Squawk 8888
If the Canadian government says no then we’ll have to look at ground transport.”

Circuses still travel by rail, do they not?

Circusses have elephants. Why not rail?

4 posted on 03/21/2013 5:58:10 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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5 posted on 03/21/2013 6:04:16 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: okie01

Elephants on a plane ....

what could possibly go wrong??


6 posted on 03/21/2013 6:09:28 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Squawk 8888
Did I miss it— does it say why they need to be moved? Though a smaller zoo, the Syracuse zoo (obviously a much shorter trip) has experienced elephant keepers and at one time (I don't know if it still does) had the most successful in captivity elephant breeding program. Maybe a temporary move if it's an emergency.
7 posted on 03/21/2013 6:13:06 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Squawk 8888

Please don’t tell that Michelle-by-Belle Obama is taking Air Force One for another vacation?


8 posted on 03/21/2013 6:17:12 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: Squawk 8888

I don’t get it, what’s with the “Royal” part of the Canadian Air Force? Granted, Canada’s history has them once being tied to England’s royalty. But that was long ago.

Canada must not have served England their divorce papers like the US has.


9 posted on 03/21/2013 6:22:09 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

Canada is a member of the Commonwealth. Its head of state is the Queen.


10 posted on 03/21/2013 6:39:22 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: Squawk 8888

Dumbo Drop

11 posted on 03/21/2013 7:00:24 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: MacMattico

I read 4 articles in the sidebar and I’m still unclear about what exactly is the underlying issue compelling the move. Apparently, they have been arguing about it so long that it (the underlying reason) is known by everyone (except for the general reader, who doesn’t count) and it is not worth repeating any more. Very Canadian.

BTW, Bob Barker, yes, that Bob Barker, apparently is ponying up nearly $900K to pay for the move. So it seems this issue isn’t so much about money; it’s about coming up with a large enough pressurized aircraft.

You can continue the discussion about having the RCAF do it (in a C-130 or C-17) (national pride & all that) or ...

You can be practical and just call the Russians (or Ukrainians) to supply an An-12 or IL-76 to do the move. Three elephants (say 8k lbs each) in crates ( say 4k lbs each) are well within the capability of either of the Russian aircraft (An-12: 44k lbs; IL-76: 100k lbs). The Russians would probably be glad to add elephants to the logbook of all the strange sh..er...stuff they have flown over the years.

Might even give a discount if multiple trips are involved and they can fill the deadhead legs.


12 posted on 03/21/2013 7:01:57 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort is the hammer that Human Will uses to forge Tomorrow on the anvil of Today.)
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To: rickmichaels

Canada is still part of the Commonwealth.

Let’s be clear here, these so-called animal activists are not doing this for the benefit of the elephants. There is a good chance these animals could die during transport, not mix well with the other elephants thanks to constant habituation with human beings. From an elephant’s perspective he’s being rejected by his tribe, and could die from loneliness.

Just read up on Vancouver’s elephant, Tina, to know that this group is not doing it for the elephants.


13 posted on 03/22/2013 12:03:52 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Squawk 8888

I sat next to this one on a flight out of Toronto. I avoided the peanuts.


14 posted on 03/22/2013 4:17:41 AM PDT by Makana
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To: Captain Rhino

One would think that either Fed Ex or UPS would happily step in here..offer it gratis..you can’t buy that kind of publicity..


15 posted on 03/22/2013 8:39:21 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: rickmichaels; sasportas
rickmichaels wrote:
Canada is a member of the Commonwealth. Its head of state is the Queen.
Canada is a constitutional monarchy. Elizabeth is Queen of Canada as well as Queen of Great Britain and as well as certain other Dominions.

The RCAF and the RCN proudly wear their titles, recently restored to them by the Conservative government of Stephen Harper.

TThe air force and the navy fought WWII and Korea under the names of Royal Canadian Air Force and Royal Canadian Navy. The two were brought into a combined force styled the Canadian Forces by a former Liberal government.

Land Units kept their regimental names, such as "Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry", "Royal Candian Regiment", "Royal 22e Régiment", "Lord Strathcona Horse (Royal Canadian)", "Royal Candian Horse Artillery" etc.

Canadian naval ships continued to have "HMCS" (Her Majesty's Canadian Ship) as part of their names.

Tradition goes a long way in military units.

Canada and its Provinces together exercise full sovereignty independent of Great Britain which is honoured only as the "Mother Country". Each of the levels of government are sovereign intra vires with the whole of the sovereignyt being found in the division of powere in our constitutional documents. Canadian naval ships continued to have

16 posted on 03/22/2013 9:03:01 PM PDT by Clive
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