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OBAMACARE FORBIDS GUN REGISTRATION - Thanks Harry Reid
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Posted on 03/21/2013 8:22:18 PM PDT by CyberAnt

This should stir the pot. Looks like Obama should have read the "Obamacare" law before he signed it, OR he was so eager to get "Obamacare" that he didn't care about the "gun owners" clause that was in it! So, Obama was either stupid for not reading the bill OR knew the clause was necessary to get his "Obamacare" passed, so that his ego could soar! Wednesday, it was discovered that hidden deep within the massive 2800-page bill called Obamacare, there is a Senate Amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms. It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the American people, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Barack Obama overlooked Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c. According to that amendment, the government cannot collect "any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition." This means that the government CANNOT mandate firearm registration. No registration, no confiscation. Poor ol' Joe Biden, he spent the last couple of weeks focusing on making a law requiring registration. Good thing is though, the amendment also states that not even an executive order can override the amendment. CNN is now referring to it as "a gift to the nation's powerful gun lobby." And according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), that's exactly right. He says he personally added the provision in order to keep the NRA from getting involved in the legislative fight over Obamacare, which was so ubiquitous in 2010. It looks like Harry Reid actually helped out firearm owners without even realizing it. Thanks Harry!!

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; guns; obamacare; registrationofguns; secondamendment
Harry Reid said he personally added the provision .. and yet here he is trying to cram a registration down our throats. This isn't just being hypocrital .. this is lying through your teeth.

Shame on you Harry Reid.

1 posted on 03/21/2013 8:22:18 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: CyberAnt

Didn’t Obama over ride all this via the 19 executive orders on gun control?


2 posted on 03/21/2013 8:25:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: CyberAnt

3 posted on 03/21/2013 8:29:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: CyberAnt

See executive order #16.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/obama-to-announce-gun-control-proposals-shortly/


4 posted on 03/21/2013 8:29:17 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

According to the provison in Obamacare .. IT CANNOT BE OVERRIDDEN BY EXECUTIVE ORDER.

So, if Obama did try to use an executive order, he has just broken the law.


5 posted on 03/21/2013 8:31:01 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth" (in spite of BO))
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To: mylife

see post #5


6 posted on 03/21/2013 8:32:17 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth" (in spite of BO))
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To: CyberAnt

I just don’t but anything past this guy.


7 posted on 03/21/2013 8:32:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Well, neither do I .. and the fact that there appears to be an attempt to silence what Obamacare says, tells me that somebody in the legislative brance needs to be paying attention to the EO and make sure it is expunged.


8 posted on 03/21/2013 8:34:50 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth" (in spite of BO))
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To: CyberAnt

It is amazing that years later we still do not know what is in this freekin bill.


9 posted on 03/21/2013 8:36:08 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: CyberAnt
Well, whatever.

My own sense of personal dignity forbids gun registration.

10 posted on 03/21/2013 8:38:45 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: CyberAnt

Your links to Brietbart.com do not work properly. The lead to an Error 404 -Not Found page.


11 posted on 03/21/2013 8:38:59 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: CyberAnt
And in case any of you suckers didn't know already, felons cannot be legally compelled to register their firearms. Obviously, that same SC ruling will exempt them from conducting compulsory private background checks.

Haynes v. US

12 posted on 03/21/2013 8:42:29 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Nice!!


13 posted on 03/21/2013 8:43:19 PM PDT by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: HotHunt

It won’t matter, they will just do what they want and ignore the law. Nobody has called them on a single thing in 4 years so they can essentially do whatever they want. They could literally repeal the first amendment tomorrow and nobody would do anything to stop them. Its all over but the cryin’


14 posted on 03/21/2013 8:44:08 PM PDT by bigtoona
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To: CyberAnt

my computer gives me an error message . message cannot be found. any suggestions?


15 posted on 03/21/2013 8:46:39 PM PDT by 1st Division guy
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To: mylife

Well, I guess we could read the original document,

But it wouldn’t make ay difference. They are writing as they go along.

It infuriates me.


16 posted on 03/21/2013 8:54:55 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie

From what I have seen it only eliminates the organs of the state empowered buy the affordable care act from doing so.

That the FOPA already did this means little to those in govt that think laws only apply to us. NOT them


17 posted on 03/21/2013 9:33:02 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: 1st Division guy; CyberAnt; HotHunt

I think this is the link. . .

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/Backfire-Obamacare-Forbids-Gun-and-Ammo-Registration


18 posted on 03/21/2013 9:41:34 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: deks

More here. . .

Video: Secret gun-rights provision in ObamaCare?

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/09/video-secret-gun-rights-provision-in-obamacare/


19 posted on 03/21/2013 9:44:32 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: mylife; CyberAnt

Page seems scrubbed already on Breitbart.com???


20 posted on 03/21/2013 9:56:59 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: CyberAnt

thanks again NRA for selling us down the river. which we all knew you were doing. especially when you supported reid against our conservative champion sharon angle. too bad it’s not keeping them from backgrounding us and grabbing our guns, anyway.


21 posted on 03/21/2013 10:23:00 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: CyberAnt

BUMP!


22 posted on 03/21/2013 10:23:53 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack (FUBO)
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To: CyberAnt

The problem is that any subsequent law that allows gun owner registration supersedes whatever is in Obamacare. Ideally a new law explicitly states that the relevant, and contradictory, parts of the existing code are repealed, but that’s probably not necessary. I’m sure that a court would happily rule that the intent of Congress is that the new law, rather than the old one, is in force. (Hey, if Obamacare’s unconstitutional fine can become a constitutional tax at the hands of the Supreme Courts Chief Editor...)


23 posted on 03/21/2013 10:32:39 PM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: CyberAnt

I’ve read the bill. It doesn’t do that. What it does do is say that the Obamacare bill doesn’t authorize gathering information about firearms and ammo. It doesn’t affect any part of the federal government other than Health and Human Services when acting under the authority of the Obamacare bill.


24 posted on 03/21/2013 11:47:31 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: deks

Read the amendment. Here’s the link:

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/title/i-amendments.pdf

Go to the bottom of page 2037 and start reading.


25 posted on 03/21/2013 11:50:08 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

Beginning at page 2037, line 17 (the format at the link is rather awkward so I reformatted it for readability)


(e) Section 2717 of the Public Health Service Act, as added by section 1001(5) of this Act, is amended—

(1) by redesignating subsections (c) and (d) as subsections (d) and (e), respectively; and
(2) by inserting after subsection (b), the following:

“(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—

“(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—

A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to—

“(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or
“(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.

“(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—

None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to—

“(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;
“(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
“(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.

“(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—

None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.

“(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.—

A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon—

“(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or
“(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.

“(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS.—

No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to—

“(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or
“(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.”.


26 posted on 03/22/2013 12:46:32 AM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: CyberAnt
According to the provison in Obamacare .. IT CANNOT BE OVERRIDDEN BY EXECUTIVE ORDER. So, if Obama did try to use an executive order, he has just broken the law.

But...he can issue a "Signing Statement" that his "just us" dept. not prosecute any of these forbidden actions by his government agencies. So, his various agencies can simply order whatever violations or restrictions they, or he, wishes - like he has done with DOMA, illegal drugs, immigration, etc, etc.

27 posted on 03/22/2013 1:12:36 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: CyberAnt
IMHO, I don't care what Obamacare says or doesn't say, I am NOT going to participate in it under any circumstance. They can demand I participate all they want to, but, I have already decided, I will not be involved with this clearly unconstitutional law. The only thing the US Supreme Court determined was that the “penalty” was a “tax: therefore constitutional. The US Supreme Court is still going to make a determination as to the religious requirements of the law is constitutional or not.

Either way, I have drawn a line in the sand on this one and no more! This government has pushed way too far and I will be pushing back this time around!

Stay safe everyone!

28 posted on 03/22/2013 1:21:40 AM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: CyberAnt

It doesn’t matter what was in the obamacare law, they can change any law they want. Put in a provision to reverse or strike any previous law in a new law.

They do this all the time.


29 posted on 03/22/2013 2:25:40 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: CyberAnt

An law that Congress passed and the President signed can be reversed merely by passing a new law and the President signing it.

I’m thinking also that if those so-called signing statements of which Mr. Obama is so fond, were challenged in the USSC using the same arguments that resulted in getting the line-item veto declared un-constitutional, those signing statements might also be declared to be void. But I don’t think any of them have been challenged to that level yet.


30 posted on 03/22/2013 2:26:15 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: CyberAnt

CA do you have a working link? I’d like to forward it to the CCDL. :)


31 posted on 03/22/2013 2:33:29 AM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: CyberAnt

Found it: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/Backfire-Obamacare-Forbids-Gun-and-Ammo-Registration

Thanks for this post


32 posted on 03/22/2013 2:36:55 AM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: PotatoChop

I hear ya.....PVC pipe sales are going to soar, the way things are going.


33 posted on 03/22/2013 2:38:53 AM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: CyberAnt
if Obama did try to use an executive order, he has just broken the law.

Eh.
Just add it to the list. The King is not constrained by serf's laws.

Besides - for a law to be meaningful, someone has to enforce it... and who's going to rein Barry in?
Media?
Attorney general?
GOP?

34 posted on 03/22/2013 3:24:12 AM PDT by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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To: CyberAnt

The Constitution forbids gun registration.


35 posted on 03/22/2013 3:44:36 AM PDT by wny
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To: CyberAnt

They can write laws on top of laws, tie themselves up in all kinds of legal snares, and it won’t make one bit of difference. If people want guns & ammo, they’ll get them. There’s still a thriving black market out there. Just look at how well Prohibition and the War On Drugs worked out for them.


36 posted on 03/22/2013 4:12:44 AM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: Real Cynic No More

True; and even if the Supreme Court strikes down a congressional law, the congress can re-write a portion of it and it can become law.

My question is about Executive Orders - can Congress override them .. I say they can.


37 posted on 03/22/2013 1:09:31 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth" (in spite of BO))
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To: ModelBreaker

Well, Reid is going to launch his gun control stuff anyway.

I wonder how many of his dems will go down in flames in the next election .. if we ever have one.


38 posted on 03/22/2013 1:13:19 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth" (in spite of BO))
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To: danamco

see post #18 for a link


39 posted on 03/22/2013 1:15:45 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth" (in spite of BO))
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To: 1st Division guy

check out post 18 - for a link


40 posted on 03/22/2013 1:17:19 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth" (in spite of BO))
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To: HotHunt

check post 18 for a link.


41 posted on 03/22/2013 1:18:11 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth" (in spite of BO))
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To: Trailerpark Badass

My own sense of personal dignity forbids gun registration.


Registration is “beneath me”. I prefer to take the high road.


42 posted on 03/22/2013 1:20:54 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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