Hitler 'Had Jewish and African Roots' Had DNA Tests Show roots', DNA Tests Show

The Telegraph ^ | Auust 10, 2010 | Heidi Blake

[hummingbird]

"2. They were not "never to be seen again" - not quite correct, the tribes were taken to what is now Iraq."

What I'm about to post probably sounds "ig-nant" but there you go. Please edify me. Stupid is as stupid is....

Post a flame if you wish, but don't make it really harsh! I've already lost one post (user error) this morning and it may show up in this thread. Haven't taken any meds yet. Tumeric is so good!

Does Hebrew still have, or even have had, words that contain no vowels?

In Wales, there are many words which still have no vowels.

Really, if you must flame, please do it lightly and with some compassion!

[jjotto]

Biblical Hebrew did not have *written* vowels or punctuation, so the text very naturally lends itself to variant readings with different shades of meaning.

The relatively recent Masoretic text does NOT fix meaning but rather standardizes reading aloud, which is important for liturgical purposes.

[hummingbird]

Thanks, jjotto!

[Jewbacca]

“The Jews came from only ONE tribe not all twelve. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses were NOT JEWS.”

That’s like saying I am not Jewish because I am of the tribe of Levi (which I am).

Common parlance dictates otherwise.

[Mashood]

“Saliva samples taken from 39 relatives of the Nazi leader show he may have had biological links to the “subhuman” races that he tried to exterminate during the Holocaust.”

Then again... he may not have had.....its all conjecture.

[dfwgator]

"You know, not many people knew it, but the Führer was a terrific dancer. That is because you were taken in by that verdammte Allied propaganda! Such filthy lies! They told lies! But nobody ever said a bad word about Winston Churchill, did they? No! "Win with Winnie!" Churchill! With his cigars, with his brandy. And his ROTTEN painting! Rotten!

Hitler, THERE was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon! TWO COATS! Churchill. He couldn't even say "Nazi". He would say "Nooooozeeehz, Nooooozeeehz!" It wasn't NOSES, it was NAZIS! Churchill! Let me tell you THIS! And you're hearing this straight from the horse - Hitler was better looking than Churchill. He was a better dresser than Churchill. He had more hair! He told funnier jokes! And he could dance the PANTS off of Churchill!"

[dfwgator]

Though I must say, most of the Nazi leadership didn’t exactly look like the blonde Aryan types they extolled. In fact, if I saw a picture of Goebbels without knowing who he was, I would have said that he probably was Jewish.

[Mashood]

All I know is that Mr. Hitler really f*cked the psyche of the Jew. They can’t stop talking about him.

[SevenofNine]

Props to the Producers reset

They been showing original Producers on COZI TV here in LA continuely

[Cronos]

that's the prononciation of the words, those are not really without vowels

I'll give you an example from Polish -- how do you read the word szczęśliwy? sounds crazy if you read it in English -- how to pronounce szcz? But sz is prounced like "sh" in sheep and cz is pronounced like "ch" in cheese

It's the same in Welsh

also Welsh is a Celtic language and Celtic languages are a sub-family of the larger Indo-European language tree.

Semitic languages like Hebrew are a different family tree.

Also, racially while both Semites and Indo-Europeans are Caucasians, there is a difference between Semites and Indo-Europeans (as between Indo-Europeans and Dravidians, say)

[Cronos]

well, he seemed more inclined to the ancient Nordic religion

Not as much as the other Nazis who wanted to replace Christianity with an "Aryan Christ" and infused a lot of occult and Nordicism

[Cronos]

There are 2 reasons:

The first is the same reason why millions of people supported Obama or Mao or Pol Pot or Stalin

Hitler wasn't the largest mass-murderer. That title goes to either Mao or Stalin in terms of sheer numbers or to Tamerlane (Timur-i-Lang) in terms of raw % of humanity at the time murdered

People follow charismatic figures. Sometimes these are good figures, sometimes they are neither good nor bad, but sometimes they are evil

have you watched any of Hitle's speeches? He had a charismatic way of talking and inflaming the crowd. Add to this the hypnotic chanting heil , add to that the flaming torches and the symbols like the Swastika and you have a perfect way to mesmerise people. The same thing happens at political rallies in the US -- not only Democrat or at religious ceremonies

The second reason is he was the person at the right time for his actions.

To understand this clearly you need to see

A. that the roots of WWII dates back to the last part of the 18th century, to 2 events: the French revolution and to the partitions of the Polish Lithuanian commonwealth

1. The French revolution led to the creation of nationalism -- prior to that kingdoms were not so nation-based, and you had vast multi-cultural entities that survived quite nicely. an example is the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. In 1683 it was the largest country in Europe comprising of what is now Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus, Western Ukraine into Moldavia and it had 4 main ethnic groups: Poles, Lithuanians, Ruthenians and Jews with large numbers of Armenians, Gypsies, Germans and Romanians. And it worked rather well

2. This P-L commonwealth was sick during the 1700s because it was a republic surrounded by dictatorships and the members of the parliament reached a deadlock and were heavily influenced by Moscowite money. however it trundled along, because the Austrians and Russians realised that it was good to have a buffer state between them -- this allowed the Austro-Hungarians and the Russians to ally together against Turkey and against Napoleon. But Frederick the Great of Prussia changed that and Prussia, Austria and Russia gobbled up the PLC by 1793. This now meant that GErmany, Austria and Russia bordered each other -- leading to tensions.
THAT lead to WWI. WWI lead to WWII.

back to point 1 -- during the 1800s erstwhile multi-lingual states began to force people to speak the same language, so the English decimated Cornish, Welsh, Scottish, Gaelic etc. and the Prussians implemented standard Low German and the Russians forced the dialects of Ruthenia out. This also lead to heavy duty chauvanism -- during the middle ages the various europeans would know Latin and French as means to communicate, but with that gone, each formed their own little world, suspicious of the rest

B. Germany during WWI fought mainly outside it's borders. The German generals in 1918 realised that they would lose the war and so sued for peace before they started really losing.

Smart on their part, but confusing to the common man -- German armies were all based on foreign soil, they had won a few battles and Russia had collapsed. Why surrender?

The common man didn't understand that the German generals could see that 6 months on they would lose oil supplies, weaponry capabilities etc.

This led to the "stab in the back" theory where Germans looked for a culprit for why they lost. People are basically stupid and they look for a simple answer, not the complex one above. And what simpler and stupider answer than "Blame the Jews"? Forget the fact that Jews fought in the German and Austrian armies with distinction and that they had assimilated very well into the German world. Forget the fact that Jews in what is now Russia supported the Germans because they were more tolerant than the pogrom-inspired Russians.

No, it was the Jewish bogeyman's fault

And then of course this was inflamed by the presence of Trotsky and the late 1800s Moscowite lie "The Protocols of the elders of Zion" -- (haven't read that? Read it to see how lies can be made believable. That one book is at the heart of much of modern anti-semitism)

Why do I not consider Germans of today anywhere like the Germans of 1938? Because the Germans had war INTO Germany. Americans, British and Russians fought into Germany, turning its cities to rubble, bringing hell on earth to them and the Germans realized that war is not "German soldiers on someone else's land" but hell to them

If we had fought INTO Germany in 1918-1919, then WWII would not have happened

But that wasn't done, so Hitler rode on the "stab in the back" theory and on the

C.Economic crisis

[Cronos]

LadyL: The Jews came from only ONE tribe not all twelve. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses were NOT JEWS.

The origin of the term Judaen or Jewish does come from 1 tribe, Judah, but as Jewbacca correctly pointed out, there were Levites among that population. The tribes of Benjamin and Simeon were also assimilated into Judea and so too were many of the northern tribes when Assyria was smashed by Babylonia and then Babylonia smashed by Khorush the Great of Persia

[Cronos]

who can blame them?

I moved to Poland 2.5 years ago and before that couldn't understand why Poles separated things into before the war and after the war. After all they have 1000 years of history before WWII

but when I moved here and saw the extent of destruction (most of warsaw was rubble in 1945 and on every street corner here you can see a small plaque saying "here on xx day in 1944, yy number of patriots were killed by Germans" and you can walk through where the ghetto stood) I understood

People with a long history remember the past.

Jews with a sense of history remember not only Hitler but other mass Jewish murderers -- hey they even celebrate the shamming of Hamman by Esther

And it's not only Jews -- the Iranis remember the way the Ilkhanates slaughtered nearly half the Iranis (depopulating greater Iran which was once what is now Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan and Kirghizia -- the Irani speaking Tajiks are the last remnant of that millenia-old population) and they remember the attacks of the Arabs and of the Turkic Timur-i-Lang

The Armenians remember the Turkish genocidal acts against them

The Georgians remember Timur-i-langs genocidal acts against THEM

and so on

[dennisw]

not Rothschild family

[KevinDavis]

So basically the Muslims aligned with him was more of an enemy of my enemy is my friend...

[SJackson]

An Austrian merchant, not a Rothschild, a story not considered credible by most historians. However if the Jewish did get a Christian maid pregnant, the children would not be Jewish

[SJackson]

An Austrian merchant, not a Rothschild, a story not considered credible by most historians. However if the Jewish did get a Christian maid pregnant, the children would not be Jewish