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The founders never said “If you won't self rule we will rule you” as that would be inimical to the concept of a revolution predicated on individual liberty. What they did say is that if the general population is lawless and immoral then of course (being of the people) government will also be lawless and immoral. A lawless and immoral government leads to tyranny. Even if there happened to be a historical anomaly and a lawless society somehow ended up with a lawful moral government, they would have no way to govern as a immoral and lawless society simply cannot be governed.

56 posted on 03/22/2013 9:57:26 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)

The founders never said “If you won't self rule we will rule you”

I didn't intend to imply that. My understanding parallels yours, that our freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution can only be for the governance of a moral and religious (ie, referencing a moral code not subject to human whims) people.

59 posted on 03/22/2013 10:00:19 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)