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'Why we on the (UK) Left made a mistake on immigration'
Daily Mail ^ | 22nd March 2013 | David Goodhart

Posted on 03/23/2013 2:04:09 PM PDT by the scotsman

'Among Left-leaning ‘Hampstead’ liberals like me, there has long been what you might call a ‘discrimination assumption’ when it comes to the highly charged issue of immigration.

Our instinctive reaction has been that Britain is a relentlessly racist country bent on thwarting the lives of ethnic minorities, that the only decent policy is to throw open our doors to all and that those with doubts about how we run our multi-racial society are guilty of prejudice.

And that view — echoed in Whitehall, Westminster and town halls around the country — has been the prevailing ideology, setting the tone for the immigration debate.

But for some years, this has troubled me and, gradually, I have changed my mind.

Over 18 months of touring the country to talk to people about their lives for a new book, I have discovered minority Britons thriving more than many liberals suppose possible. But I also saw the mess of division and conflict we have got ourselves into in other places.

I am now convinced that public opinion is right and Britain has had too much immigration too quickly.

For 30 years, the Left has blinded itself with sentiment about diversity. But we got it wrong.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 03/23/2013 2:04:09 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

.....because we didn’t listen to Enoch Powell.


2 posted on 03/23/2013 2:05:19 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: the scotsman

In other words if we follow the British model we will get it as well....when it too late. As it is for them.


3 posted on 03/23/2013 2:08:04 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911
Owing to its size and cohesiveness Britain is probably more capable of correcting this problem than are we.

Its probably too late for us already.

4 posted on 03/23/2013 2:16:15 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Good point, Britain may be small enough to react quicker than us. That being said they could well go either way.Meanwhile we keep letting all the wrong people in all the wrong places over and over.


5 posted on 03/23/2013 2:29:45 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: skeeter

I wouldn’t say Britain is more cohesive than the US. The kind of expressions of patriotism and appeals to nationalism that are taken for granted in the US would be sneered at as ridiculous and/or whiffing of ‘fascism’ here in Britain.

All I would say for Britain however, is that immigrants, illegal or otherwise, make up a considerably smaller portion of the population than in the US. Illegal immigration in Britain is estimated to be at worst, a little over 1% of population, whereas in the US, it is as high (or maybe even higher) than 4%.


6 posted on 03/23/2013 2:37:00 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: the scotsman
"One of the liberal elite’s myths is that we are a ‘mongrel nation’ that has always experienced high inflows of outsiders. But this isn’t true. From 1066 until 1950, immigration was almost non-existent"

Author still does not quite get it. There are NO liberal Myths, only LIBERAL LIES!

7 posted on 03/23/2013 2:37:14 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: the scotsman

The author states that the mass immigration wasn’t planned; it just happened. I seem to recall that old Labor Party documents have been found that stated that the intent of the liberal immigration decisions was to transform British society and the country as a whole.


8 posted on 03/23/2013 2:55:37 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: the scotsman

Liberals have used all the white nations (with the exception of small handful of Eastern European nations) as their petri dish to try a social experiment that has never worked in man’s history — multiracial, multiethnic, multiculturalism. The audacity to try such a civilization altering experiment without the people’s consent is mind-boggling. The negative outcome was foreseen by many who were denounced as racist, xenophobic, and bigoted. In reality, they were truthful, thoughtful, and patriotic. When, not if, events turn sour, the Liberals who refused to listen to their own people will be to blame.


9 posted on 03/23/2013 2:59:03 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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What David Goodhart neglected to mention was ‘massive immigration’ didn't happen to the elites who were making the call for grand global understandings. Nope - those upper class whites lived in isolated white upper crust communities... with an occasional upper class intellectual 'immigrant'... Oh - and many 'immigrant' gardeners, maids etc... (one of the real reasons for their great open mindedness - cheap labor to pit against their own working class)

There's an easy solution - make sure all ‘immigrants’ in the same proportion they live in England - ALSO live in upper class neighborhoods. Allow the liberal elites to bask in the joy of assimilation - share the joy with them... and maybe they'll become more sensitive...

10 posted on 03/23/2013 3:32:19 PM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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To: SandRat
What David Goodhart neglected to mention was ‘massive immigration’ didn't happen to the elites who were making the call for grand global understandings. Nope - those upper class whites lived in isolated white upper crust communities... with an occasional upper class intellectual 'immigrant'... Oh - and many 'immigrant' gardeners, maids etc... (one of the real reasons for their great open mindedness - cheap labor to pit against their own working class)

There's an easy solution - make sure all ‘immigrants’ in the same proportion they live in England - ALSO live in upper class neighborhoods. Allow the liberal elites to bask in the joy of assimilation - share the joy with them... and maybe they'll become more sensitive...

11 posted on 03/23/2013 3:32:33 PM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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To: the scotsman

Too late now...goodbye Britannia!


12 posted on 03/23/2013 4:35:47 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: the scotsman
Over 18 months of touring the country to talk to people about their lives for a new book, I have discovered...

The money quote. Literally. Just another liberal piece of scum looking to make a buck. Must have noticed that a book on the same topic by Thilo Sarrazin in Germany was a #1 bestseller. So he decided to copy it. Ka-ching!

13 posted on 03/23/2013 5:04:22 PM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: the scotsman

It comes down to this:

Is British culture & tradition worth preserving in Britain?

I believe it is, as are all cultures in their native countries. This world would be an awfully dull place if everybody was exactly the same. What makes the human race so vibrant is its many different people. Those differences should be celebrated, not homogenized.

When immigrants will not integrate they become colonizers. Colonialism is but invasion by another name. It should be fought as any invader should be. Those immigrants who refuse to integrate & advocate separatism should be expelled. Potential immigrants should understand & agree to this prior to approval. Basic understanding of the language, customs, & laws shoud be required. Above all, the laws of the land should apply to all without exception or regard for foreign customs.


14 posted on 03/23/2013 5:26:50 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: the scotsman

Basically when liberals get in power anywhere in the world, they wreak societal havoc that is difficult to contain or squelch. Nipping it at the start is the obvious solution, but like a number of posters said, what do you do when the toothpaste is out of the tube?


15 posted on 03/23/2013 5:48:58 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: the scotsman

It’s a little late now; like realizing you left the stove on after the house burned down. No fixing what the anti-white, anti-Christian diversity racists (Marxists) broke.

And that was the communists’ plan from the beginning. Invasion and cultural cleansing collapses the natives every time! This guy was a useful idiot.


16 posted on 03/23/2013 6:19:56 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: the scotsman

>>”the absence of fathers in many African-Caribbean households was excused as a cultural trait that just had to be accepted rather than a dereliction of duty that needed addressing.”<<

They copied how the Black fathers in the USA do it. We are now a welfare democracy.


17 posted on 03/23/2013 7:21:37 PM PDT by B4Ranch (When democracy turns to tyranny, we still get to vote. We just won't use voting boxes to do it.)
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To: Mister Da

Yes, it is.


18 posted on 03/24/2013 5:02:45 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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