Skip to comments.Survey: Many Utah Scouts against lifting gay ban
Posted on 03/25/2013 8:00:10 PM PDT by District13
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) More than four out of five Boy Scout leaders in the Salt Lake City area say they are opposed to Boy Scouts of America lifting its ban on gays, a new survey shows.
Nearly half said they would quit the Boy Scouts if the ban on gays is lifted, according to results of a survey of 4,700 adults involved in the Boy Scouts' Great Salt Lake Council. The respondents included leaders and parents.
The council is one of the largest in the country, with 5,500 troops and 73,400 youth members. Nearly all of the troops, 99 percent to be exact, are sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Scouts are celebrating 100 years in Utah this year.
"We just want to be what we've always been," said Rick Barnes, executive of the Boy Scouts' Great Salt Lake Council. "That's what the people in Utah are saying: stick to the traditional family values. It's a pretty clear message."
The Boy Scouts national executive board is currently mulling a proposal to move away from its no-gays membership policy or create a local option that would give the decision to the individual troops.
"We are in the listening phase of this process, where councils are providing valuable feedback like this report," Boy Scouts of America spokesman Deron Smith said.
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If the LSD leaves the BSA, where they require their patrons do their social service, the BSA will dissolve.
What do you mean by post #3? Thanks.
“In December, however, the LDS church launched a website encouraging members to be more compassionate in discussions about homosexuality. The website instructs Mormons to be loving and respectful toward gays and lesbians, while appealing to gay and lesbian Mormons to stay in the church.”
It’s the opposite to the Catholic church. The leadership are the ones shifting left.
I under the kid that successfully protested the “Stomp on Jesus” assignment is a devout Mormon.
Oh, yes, you’re right. I was glad to learn that the young man who refused to stomp on Jesus is a Mormon.
LDS is the biggest contributor to the BSA financially, if they pull out it won’t be able to sustain itself.
I’m pretty sure that’s why the BSA postponed the vote to let Sodomites be leaders and members till May.
I think he’s Catholic.
The leadership of the LDS shifting left? Not so. Don’t forget the LDS Church was at the forefront of the fight to pass Prop 8. Eeegads! I hope the Supremes come down on the side of Prop 8! Regarding being more compassionate toward homosexuals, wouldn’t you agree that’s a good idea. Hate the sin; love the sinner.
Heard it on the radio while driving. Good chance I heard wrong.
Parents have a right to protect their sons.
One word: Sandusky
No, I just looked it up. You’re right. He’s Morman.
Which is exactly what some kind of people want.
Why would gays want to belong to an organization that they’ve said for decades is a bunch of bigoted homophobes. Wouldn’t it be easier to form the “Gay Scouts” and go on about your business if your goal really was to allow gay youth to participate in scouting??
I know... /sarc
No, he was a Mormon but he just as well could have been a Catholic. Anyway, I am proud of him for taking a stand. I read where he got kicked out of the class.
Whether you need to believe LDS is a cult or not, their congregation is the most moral and strict religion I know.
They don’t drink, curse, smoke, etc. One told me their only non boring activity is dressing sexy in ballroom dancing.
I think we can count on the Mormons to not pull out. Just look at the size of their families.
“Why would gays want to belong to an organization that theyve said for decades is a bunch of bigoted homophobes.”
That is a darn good question! Anyway, whatever happened to freedom of religion and freedom of association?
Yes, I am proud of him, too. We need more people to take a stand like he did.
Of course, as long as compassion does not turn to acceptance. The goal is to turn these people away from sin. That is true compassion.
“think we can count on the Mormons to not pull out. Just look at the size of their families.”
Ha! BTW, the Scouts around here fly the American Flag every chance they get - and they will even plant one in your yard if you want it. Also, this very weekend, the Scouts collected food for local food bank(s). A bunch of good kids staying out of trouble and living the Gospel of Jesus Christ. What could possibly be wrong with that?
The fact they don’t sodomize their children and behead their wives is a good start.
“Of course, as long as compassion does not turn to acceptance.” I agree.
Have you ever heard of this book: “The Pink Swastika”?
Boy, has the author of “The Pink Swastika” taken a beating for his beliefs!!!!
“If the LSD leaves the BSA, “
They have LSD in the BSA? I’m signing up!!!
“If the LSD leaves the BSA, where they require their patrons do their social service, the BSA will dissolve.”
Without the Catholics, Baptist, and Latter Day Saints, none of which will support Homosexuals in the Boy Scouts, Scouting is finished as an American institution. Sad day for Scouting but the counsel will cave to the dollar.
The Mormons will start their own scouting program and lease or buy the camps for the young men to use.
‘I think we can count on the Mormons to not pull out. Just look at the size of their families.’
I’m taking that to work with me tomorrow, it should get a few laughs at the office.
Why is it that medical professionals, police, first responders of all varieties of people take great pains to avoid contact with body fluids of those they respond to? Is it the fear of potential HIV/AIDS contact? Why are police so cautious of people spitting on them? But the BSA is being asked/demanded to have gay men to be BSA leaders and expose the youngsters to the bodily fluids first responders and others avoid with a passion. It also applies to homosexual boy scouts. What happened to all the medical precautions, when exposing our young to the potential health risks. This is never mentioned, why?
The Christmas my son was six and my daughter was five, we bought him a huge Tony the Tiger drum set. My daughter wanted to play it, her brother said no. So she punched a hole in each one of the drums and announced, “I didn’t really want to play, I just wanted to see what you would say so now nobody can play.”
The consequences for her actions were quite severe. There are no negative consequences brought to bear for gays, atheists, tree huggers, greenies, abortionists, etc. and so they continue on. Not because they necessarily want to be part of any group, activity or function but because they are allowed to destroy the right of individuals to choose what they want to participate in and how they want to live.
I am reminded of the Chick-Fil-A incident. People everywhere rose up and said NO. I haven’t read anything about them for quite a while now. CFA is still in business and the gays moved on. But it is going to take that kind of a movement and effort over and over and over before we can begin to take our freedoms and right to choose back again.
That’s the goal. Nothing in the entire law or history of America stops any homosexual from creating a scouting program. Do it, invite young men to join and the entire lie of the homosexual lifestyle becomes crystal clear.
They’re not interested in liberty, but control. God must bend to their will, not ours to His.
Many Utah scouts against???
The title implies there are some FOR, which is a little hard to believe.
If anybody involved in Scouting hasn’t contacted their local council and BSA national yet, do it! BSA national responded to my message with a link to a detailed online survey. My local council is taking calls and e-mails.
I’m afraid that BSA will decide to leave it to each troop’s chartering organization to decide on openly gay. You know where the many of the mainline Protestant Churches will go.
The LDS Church is not the only church that has scouting in Utah! The Catholic Church and others do too! I know the Catholic Church does, because one of our parish deacons has been, and still is the Scout Master in our Parish! The Girl Scouts have a lady who has a Girl Scout troop with members of our parish, as well!
ALL Scouts are!!!
Say what you will about the LDS Church but this is an indication of the Church's firm commitment to doing what's right.
No need to SAY anything - the church's action speaks for itself.
THIS is quite interesting...
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
And Mitt Romney is the Savior of the United States.
I'm pained that you put forth the impression that he was the ONLY one to do so...
Sounds like what happened at a church near me.
The biggest tither got miffed and left, saying "Without MY money you'll go under."
Target Rich Environment comes to mind...
I'll bet you've read MORE than that...
I wonder why it didn't work for Joseph Smith?
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