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Except for the Moslem angle, I don't believe this is a complete tragedy. The facts are that people are moving around. What is needed is a way to integrate people better.

It's happened in the past in the UK -- the English in effect are a mongrel nation with Saxon, Danish, Norman-French, etc. blood and it worked.

The problem is the pace of change

New, skilled immigrants may know more about their adopted country and be more grateful than liberals born in the country (think Jane Fonda...)

As the article says Economically, many minority Mertonites are doing pretty well in their enclaves. The Indians and Chinese are doing best of all in school and in jobs, closely tracked by Koreans and Tamils. As in the national picture, the white British are somewhere in the middle.

1 posted on 03/26/2013 12:35:47 AM PDT by Cronos
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Wrong. England is lost. Demographics rule countries, not wishful thinking.


2 posted on 03/26/2013 12:39:11 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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At this rate, the Moslems won’t have to kill us all in their jihad - they’ll just buy up, move in, and push us all out.


3 posted on 03/26/2013 12:41:37 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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Not quite. Without the other cultures being willing to,adopt British culture, it is almost inevitable that Britain will disappear and, without the other cultures integrating but keeping to themselves, blood will be shed.

Britain is heading towards the same sort of chaos and blood wars that every other non-western nation tends to experience regularly.


4 posted on 03/26/2013 12:49:20 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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What are you thinking? Look at the demographics and at who is having children. English peeps=Birth Control/abortion and Muslims=reproducing with 4 wives at a time with no limit on girls. Girls can have babies and more babies, maybe 12 each with 4+ fathers contributing sperm legally.

Which one do you think will win. Us with a weak faith or them with their reproduction? No contest.


5 posted on 03/26/2013 12:51:18 AM PDT by tinamina
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“Except for the Moslem angle, I don’t believe this is a complete tragedy.

The facts are that people are moving around. What is needed is a way to integrate people better.

It’s happened in the past in the UK — the English in effect are a mongrel nation with Saxon, Danish, Norman-French, etc. blood and it worked.”


No, it’s a complete tragedy. England has been stripped of it’s national identity in just over sixty years. Goodhart had an article over the weekend where he correctly pointed out the immigration into England was minimal and practically non-existent form 1066 to 1950. Then, post-WWII, the floodgates to immigration from the Third World were opened so great that on any given year now more immigrants arrive than during the previous 900 years combined. That’s absurd. The English have a right to their land with their identity, and politicians had no right to strip the people of that.

Further, you mention Scots, Welsh, etc. The truth is that those groups were far more assimilable to England because they are of the same genetic stock and have cultures that are not wildly dissimilar. Muslims are not a good fit for England because, for the most part, Mudlims are not as assimilable in England as the groups you mentioned. Many Muslims prefer to keep their Muslim customs when they conflict with a host country’s customs and law.

Further, most Muslims in England are Pakistani. You may have noticed that people typically side with a candidate who is of their race or who promises benefits to their race. Simply put — race matters in both how people conduct themselves and how they view others. That’s why multiracial and multicultural societies are fraught with more internal conflict than more homogenous societies.

Enoch Powell was right.


6 posted on 03/26/2013 1:02:55 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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Yes modern English are the sum of numerous peoples who have immigrated into Britain in the past 1600 years (although according to the most recent genetic analyses they are nowhere near as ethnically diverse as was once thought - the predominant racial heritage of modern English people is Celtic).

BUT, and it's a big but, Britain only survived and flourished because the various component tribes and nationalities lived under a common umbrella. People were very much British first, and the various tribal loyalties came second. In other words, there was an overiding arc that united all these disparate groups. In modern Britain that doesn't seem to be happening - perhaps because, as you say, its' all happened so quickly - and that is going to mean trouble. Multiculturalism is fine, IF people rejoice in the differences. But modern Britain (and the modern USA) seems to be becoming defined by those differences, and that's not a good trend.

7 posted on 03/26/2013 1:17:09 AM PDT by Vanders9
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It's happened in the past in the UK -- the English in effect are a mongrel nation with Saxon, Danish, Norman-French, etc. blood and it worked.

You are nuts. Study Muslim history to discover why.

9 posted on 03/26/2013 2:07:30 AM PDT by montag813
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are now 64 per cent ethnic minority

So if they're the majority...how can they be a minority?

10 posted on 03/26/2013 4:00:32 AM PDT by Regulator
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Due here by the year 2020 - ARE YOU READY?

1400 years – 270 MILLION innocents murdered by “the prophet" followers!!!

A Brilliant Living-room Dissertation on Islam

14 posted on 03/26/2013 4:19:26 AM PDT by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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thats not an earthquake...

Our English ancestors who fought in the Crusades are rolling over in their graves..


15 posted on 03/26/2013 4:23:50 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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It's happened in the past in the UK -- the English in effect are a mongrel nation with Saxon, Danish, Norman-French, etc. blood and it worked.

Are you effing insane? Do you know what happened to the native Britons under Saxon rule/invasion? do you know what happened to the Britons and Saxons under the Vikings? Do you remember the subjugation of the Saxons by the Normans or the fact that they are stilled a people ruled by a foreign monarch, in many respects? And you want to more foreign invasion and subjugation?
In what sense are you a conservative?
25 posted on 03/26/2013 11:46:40 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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