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To: highball
Yep. Our hypothetical Jewish citizen is a seventh-generation patriotic American. Never even been outside his home state. Which is Oklahoma.

But he’s Jewish, as we pointed out, so he has the birthright to dual citizenship. US and Israel. Not that he’s ever exercised it.

Now, birthers would tell this man that he’s not eligible. And I think that’s sheer nonsense.

I don't see the problem here.

If he's born on American soil to American citizen parents and hasn't exercised a "birthright to" another country (Israel/Ireland) then he's a natural born citizen.

America is the first and only claimant upon him. Israel/Ireland have an open door to him. That's different. Should he choose to exercise that gift of an automatic/dual citizenship he can but then he's got divided loyalties and is not a natural born citizen any longer.

By your logic, if he flies to Israel/Ireland as a US citizen for vacation he could be drafted if a war broke out there even if he hasn't exercised the option to dual citizenship. Israel/Ireland can't make him accept the gift.

Is that what you are saying?

Now, birthers would tell this man that he’s not eligible. And I think that’s sheer nonsense.

No bithers have not told him that. You presume that.

526 posted on 03/28/2013 10:15:33 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue; meadsjn
"Now, birthers would tell this man that he’s not eligible. And I think that’s sheer nonsense."

"No bithers have not told him that. You presume that."
I wish that were true, but it's not.

There are indeed birthers who advance this silly definition of NBC that excludes everyone with the potential for dual citizenship. My FRiend meadsjn for example, who claims this is the requirement:
A Natural Born Citizen, born in the country to two parents who are themselves citizens, have no divided allegiance. They have no potential claim to citizenship in any other country, neither by blood (through either parent), nor by soil (of any other country).
Emphasis mine, but words most definitely his.

He went a little quiet when I reminded him that his definition would put all American Jews and anyone with an Irish grandparent on the excluded list. He seems to think the question of Jews is somehow unsettled:
As far as I'm aware, we have not had a Jewish candidate for president yet, so this same discussion over divided loyalty would and most likely will take place if ever such is the case.
We have actually had a Jewish candidate for Vice President, with exactly the same requirements, and the subject was never raised, but what the heck.

So no, I'm afraid that there are birthers who do make such claims. I wish there weren't, really I do.
700 posted on 03/29/2013 6:12:47 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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