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To: plain talk; Alex Murphy; Future Snake Eater; SoConPubbie; P-Marlowe; Diamond; napscoordinator; ...
129 posted on 3/28/2013 8:49:18 AM by plain talk: “Good grief. You don’t even need to mention the Bible. If there never was a Bible there would still be people like us that believe marriage is between a man and a woman. 95% or so are heteros that find gay practices unnatural and disgusting. Plus conservatives see no rationale for special rights to placate certain groups. Marriage has always been between a man and woman in numerous culture including non christian cultures.”

I truly wish I could agree with you.

A few years ago I did.

I no longer believe that secular conservatives can be relied upon to support a biblical view of homosexuality. The radical change among our young people — including conservative Republican young people — to view sexuality as a personal choice is an indicator of what happens when being “conservative” means to “get government out of our lives” rather than to “get God in our lives and do what He tells us to do.”

Freedom from government over-regulation is a good thing, but it can lead to an anti-authoritarian spirit which says we need to be free from **ALL** regulation of our lives, even God's regulations.

I fear that is happening with the homosexual issue. Freedom to choose and freedom from regulation of our lives are becoming core values for conservatives. That's libertarianism, not conservatism, and there is a big difference between the two.

Don't get me wrong. I welcome the support from secular conservatives who find homosexuality disgusting. We need every vote we can get.

But I'm afraid that feelings of personal disgust don't come from a consistent worldview and won't convince the next generation to oppose homosexuality. Opposing homosexuality requires a worldview which says that respecting personal freedom and personal choice is neither the goal nor the method for building a functioning society.

132 posted on 03/28/2013 7:06:25 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
Freedom from government over-regulation is a good thing, but it can lead to an anti-authoritarian spirit which says we need to be free from **ALL** regulation of our lives, even God's regulations.

Should everything bad be illegal - by government? That's the question. I have that anti-authoritarian spirit. God's regulations are between myself and God (and others directly impacted by my decision). Government is not God. I can choose to walk away from God. It's bad for my soul, not to mention get me in big trouble with my girlfriend, but it's something I can do.

Government is evil and one I can't walk away from. It's albeit a necessary evil that is very dangerous because of the people attracted to the power of government.

What's more evil, two homos banging each other behind closed doors, or government policing the inside of homes looking for it. Or government sanctioning it and putting it in our schools pushing it on kids. The first part is disgusting. The second part is scary. The third part shows that the gay agenda is about more than consenting adults.

I don't need a government regulation to tell me that it's wrong to cheat on my girlfriend with the pretty woman I meet at the bar or to mess around with another man's wife. Those are areas that government should not be involved.

Government needs to limit itself because of it's history around the world of abuse, and frankly its history of murder. The feds should handle defense. The states and locals most other matters.

136 posted on 03/28/2013 7:22:36 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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