the mind numbing consequences of liberalism.
Posted on 03/28/2013 2:54:01 PM PDT by drewh
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Not to mention next on the agenda, constitutional right to have more then one wife or husband...Like one of the SC Judges asked, “where does it end with constitutional rights? Polygamy? Brothers and sisters getting married? Opens the door to what is fair, equal and constitutional right. For many years, homosexuality was thought of as immoral. Fast forward, media, activists have won the battle to make it moral using the “hate” mode of operation. So- next, polygamists will want their rights too....
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Yup, and next up... Bisexuals. Here’s how their argument will be framed...
“It just isn’t fair that we bisexuals are born sexually attracted to both men and women, yet antiquated marriage laws in this horrible country forces us to choose only ONE gender to marry! Why, how dare society be allowed to deny any person ONE HALF of their sexuality! If I want to marry one man AND one woman and all parties consent to the arrangement, then why should anyone else care??? It’s not hurting anyone else’s rights, is it??? So why then should we bisexuals be denied our right to the “pursuit of happiness” if I want to marry two people to satisfy my full spectrum of carnal desires??? What gives anyone the authority to tell me how many people I’m allowed to love and devote to a life-long relationship? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.”
Sound absolutely absurd? Of course it does. The slippery slope and deconstruction of a society becomes glaringly apparent to those of us with a moral compass and common sense. But the masses will once again be fooled, browbeaten, and bullied by a thuggish media, pop culture, and education system into believing this is a “civil rights” issue. Then voila... polygamy.
I’m becoming increasingly convinced everyday that modern day liberalism/progressivism/socialism/communism mirrors Satan’s ideology.
<< And that’s just it. They’re far better at messaging. Look at that list you posted, and you can see a logical progression. From a marketing point-of-view, it’s brilliant. >>
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Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your assessment about this being some "brilliant" marketing piece by the homo-nazis.... Regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees with previous laws governing the history of marriage, they all still shared one fundamental component: the union of one male and one female in holy matrimony! The definition of "marriage" remains the same today as it has from Day One. The last item on that particular list is quite simply not like the others!
"One of big problems is that conservatives can be good at articulating what they believe . . ."
No, they're not because they split hairs to the point that the critical points are often lost and that tendency makes them suckers for being led off their message and into ambushes. They also can't resist fighting one another over every shade of every issue large and small rather than agreeing to a truce among conservatives until there's a victory on something they all agree on. In the type of political system the Constitution created people have to be willing to work for things over time. The fascists have been and are still quite willing to be patient while conservatives aren't.
Reagan, Rush, Bill Buckley, these are conservatives who weren't or aren't afraid to spell out what they believe, explain what they believed, and not worry a bit about anyone who doesn't agree with them. Reagan only made it to the Presidency because he knew the ropes well enough to know when to ignore and when to smack down conservatives who were arguing over how to redesign the bandwagon instead of getting on board the Reagan bandwagon.
The day when someone can do what Reagan did is long gone and it was destroyed by the very medium we're using for this discussion. Conservatives refuse to work together to achieve a goal, then work together on the next goal, and so on because doing so requires them to submit to some degree, however minor, of authority. Enough Conservatives basically don't believe in working for the good of the group they're in unless they get to make the rules that the Conservative majority of the population ends up at parity with fascists on a good day, and well behind on most days.
People can form a circle of electronic friends and get all the positive emotional feedback they want. They don't have any emotional need for being part of a winning Party or campaign to feel like they're making a difference. They're completely happy with the illusion that they're making a difference while the society collapses around them due to there being no effective resistance to the fascists. Consequently, conservatives who tend to mind their own business anyway, squabble over what's important and divide into warring camps while the fascists create and then implement one solid propaganda campaign after another and conservatives completely ignore what's going on until it's already too late. Our opponents are effective because they've made people emotionally dependent on being in constant touch with and in total agreement with the group.
How well conservatives communicate is moot at this point and will be until conservatives manage to figure out how to work together instead of taking their toys and going home when they're ticked off. If the radical fascists who took over the democrat party could take that solidly entrenched bunch of nobility on and win, conservatives could take on the entrenched Republican nobility and win.
It's just that conservatives will never do it. I don't know if they don't believe in winning enough to do it or they don't really believe that this country is worth saving, but they don't care one way or the other who runs the country as long as they can hide out from the consequences of not caring.
I'm sorry, but I don't see how conservatives in this country climbing the scaffold without complaint, then putting the rope around their own necks, is an indication that conservatives are good at anything at all much less at getting their message out to anyone, even to one another.
Now, for the bad news. The people who have wormed their way into control of all the agencies and departments are people who idolized the SDS and other radicals. They don't believe anyone is serious about what they believe unless they're willing to both ignore the law and use violence to further their agenda. That's what they're teaching young folks who they know how to attract far better than conservatives do, too. They look at their conservative opponents, reflect on, ???, and how it shows that conservatives are very willing to use violence to further their agenda, and laugh.
I'm afraid we've reached the point that communication skills no longer make any difference with regard to who is in control. If it still does, it won't for much longer because for far too long we've accepted as decent citizens those who only understand violence and force. Conservatives lost the stomach for the sorts of battles it takes to keep a nation free and it's a good bet they don't have the stomach for any other sort of battle, either. After all, getting out and doing all you can do will get you slandered far worse that sitting on the sidelines will because so few people are realists who know all you can do is all you can do.
JMHO
People can form a circle of electronic friends and get all the positive emotional feedback they want.
Exactly. That's what some want FR to be, a ever-smaller, ever more lockstep circle of "electronic friends" as those who disagree with them (on one issue out of twenty) ride the lightning.
All we lost is the media war (Not that we even had a chance) the states that put gay marriage up for a vote lost. The ones were it is legal accomplished it by legislation and not ballot. The big lie these days is it is over, “the people” support gay marriage. On FOX last night the liberal said all you have to do is see the popularity of the show Modern Family. I didn’t even know anyone watched it I though the series “The Bible” and “Walking Dead” is what everyone is watching. Look at how they have used Facebook to make sure everyone toes the line. If you are against Gay Marriage you will be jumped upon and un friended. Repeating the big lie “everyone is for gay marriage” over and over the sheeple think they are out of step for disagreeing with it. Yes we lost but we should learn from their tactics. If we conservatives just kept pounding the message “Everyone is for less government spending”, “clear thinking people know the government wastes”, “the debate is over, government must cut”, “Sequester and the market highs prove cuts help”. We can defund the left of our tax dollars and level the playing field.
My libertarian streak I suppose, but I don’t really care what two consenting adults do provided they pull the drapes. I have no urge to govern what other people do provided it brings no harm to non-participants. In the end, we all answer our maker as individuals.
Oddly enough, it is not enough that they all agree in principle, but need to all put in a written agreement that they agree. The reason for this is that it is like a treaty between two friendly countries, both among themselves and for outsiders.
Among themselves it stipulates that “we all agree to this”, so that marriages conducted by one religion are acceptable to another, which sounds very mild on the surface, but implies that marriages not carried out under this agreement are questionable, and may even be rejected.
But the importance of the agreement really matters to outsiders, both of liberal religions, and the secular and governmental, by saying, “We do not recognize non-Orthodox religious or secular marriage as being legitimate, and will not honor them in our domains.”
I will add that government has long tried to do just the opposite, by refusing to recognize religious marriage unless it has the stamp of approval of government.
The way they enforce this is to give benefits to those couples who have secular marriage recognition, but not to those with “just” religious marriages. In essence, using taxpayer money to undermine religious marriage.
And yet, over time, so many people were just refusing secular marriage and living together, at least the US government now treats non-married people living together as if they were married, at least as far as benefits go. Further perverting the whole idea of marriage.
(Officially, the IRS calls them “Persons of opposite sex sharing living quarters”, or “POSSLQ’s”. What a ridiculous contrivance).
In any event, for this and other reasons, such as homosexual marriage, it is vital that the Orthodox religions put their foot down and recapture the meaning of sacramental marriage as a religious, not secular, thing, and beyond the purview of government as much as is Baptism, Confirmation, Communion, Confession, Extreme Unction, and Burial. (With additions or subtractions as the case may be, according the the religion.)
Importantly, were they even to meet with this in mind, the secular upset would be extraordinary, as it would undermine more than a century of government interference.
I didn’t realize four passed it, but the one question still remains is if such a large majority support it why get the supreme court involved? Just pass it in all the states.
Looks like Time has a photo of two guys kissing on the cover. Wonder if that’s one they’ll put the plastic covers over in the checkout line at the stores?
The fact that we have a education “institution” means we lost.
I see your point. But allowing liberals to control education compounds the error. That really got going somewhere in the 60s-70s.
With all due respect the modern educational system was created by socialists for the express purpose of indoctrinating children. We can’t ever have government schools and be a free nation.
Public education was started for a different purpose. What has happened is curriculums being centralized and controlled by the state. The idea of a local public school is no more inherently nefarious than a lending library or volunteer police department.
Libertine! </sarcasm>
Depends on when you start “modern.”
This was not the intention of public schools always.
Communities hiring teachers and building a school is their choice and a good one in many cases. It’s the choices after that that are the problem.
We’re mostly in agreement. I believe we should act everywhere we can to combat liberal indoctrination in education.
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