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McClellan: One last call to service end military funeral honors
St Louis Post Dispatch ^ | March 28, 2013 | Bill McClellan

Posted on 03/28/2013 5:23:33 PM PDT by Kaslin

Marc Garcia is a trumpet player who moonlights as a bugler at Jefferson Barracks National Cemetery. He plays taps at the end of graveside services. If you have ever been to such a service, you know that the haunting notes of the melody provide an emotional end to the event.

Garcia contacted me recently to say that he and his fellow buglers have been replaced by a battery-operated bugle.

He wrote in an email: “When I sound live taps, I put all my spirit and soul into all 24 notes that I play, and that’s the same spirit and soul that our veterans gave to this country while serving. And now they are going to get a fake bugle? A live bugler adds that very important touch for the military service. To me, our veterans deserve the real thing and it’s a disgrace to present them with anything else!”

Buglers make $24.50 per service. That’s not excessive. They have to be at the grave site early, and sometimes the preachers carry on a while. Also, there is an honorary three-volley rifle salute, and the folding and presentation of the flag.

The rifle salute is done by a four-man team — three riflemen and a fourth man who gives the orders. (The fourth man now operates the battery-run bugle.) Generally, these teams come from veterans service organizations — VFWs or American Legion Posts. Garcia said the teams get $100 per service.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: billmcclellan; bugler; honor; lunatic; militaryfunerals; taps
Words fail me
1 posted on 03/28/2013 5:23:34 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Breaking down our country one brick at a time.

This is sickening, but the money for Obama’s Brotherhoods has got to come from somewhere.


2 posted on 03/28/2013 5:32:51 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: Kaslin
McClellan is trying to get you to take the bait and argue that there are at least some “unnecessary” expenses that the government ought to shoulder.

The truth is that the costs he his talking about are so miniscule compared to the scope of federal spending that conservatives should jump on suggestions like this one, as long as we are allowed to make suggestions of our own.

I have no doubt that private charity would step in an pick up some of the cost. As for the rest, there actually IS some waste going on here. I have known paid reservists who only had one function: Attending military funerals. That one’s a bit of a head-scratcher for me. The armed forces is a bureaucracy. By definition, it wastes money through inefficiency.

3 posted on 03/28/2013 5:33:11 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Kaslin; Nachum

This has to be on one of the support troops ping lists.

This is so vile.


4 posted on 03/28/2013 5:35:33 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Kaslin

$100 per service. So if we didn’t give the POS Palestinians 500 million, that would be 5 million funerals. F**k Bill McClellan.


5 posted on 03/28/2013 5:40:11 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: little jeremiah

McClellan is already waving his Vietnam service at his critics to silence them & place his views above questioning.

I’m a Vietnam vet so I guess I’m qualified to tell Mickey C. to go bleep himself & I hope his funeral is just as unattended as he seems to want for the rest of our veterans.

His politics & ideology need looking into IMO.


6 posted on 03/28/2013 5:43:07 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: little jeremiah
It sure is. he was on The Five earlier this evening and Dana Perino brought it up. Here is the video

End military funeral honors for vets to cut costs?

7 posted on 03/28/2013 5:48:49 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
Absolutely disgusting. Every Veteran, combat or non-combat, whatever MOS, deserves to have a live bugler at his interment. Take the money from one of the many useless welfare programs we pay for with our hard-earned tax dollars!



Where are the survivors of the massacre at Benghazi? The silence of the Obama Regime on this question is deafening!

Fiat Justitia, Ruat Coelum!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

8 posted on 03/28/2013 5:51:57 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: elcid1970

Laura Ingram is substituting for Bill O’Reilly this evening and she had that creep along with LT Col. Robert Maginnis. She gave that creep all the time to talk so that there was hardly any time Lt Col. Maginnis to respond. She really disappointed me


9 posted on 03/28/2013 5:59:46 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: ConorMacNessa

It sure is


10 posted on 03/28/2013 6:00:53 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: elcid1970

I’m also a Vietnam vet and a former Marine (I disown McClellan from the brotherhood) and as far as I’m concerned, if I could have my way with him he wouldn’t need a funeral at all...they wouldn’t be able to find enough parts to bury.


11 posted on 03/28/2013 6:11:22 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Kaslin

I have for over 30 years played trumpet semi-professionally in various church and other organizations. A couple of years ago my daughter mentioned a group called “Bugles Across America” (I have also seen the name “Taps Across America”... don’t know if they are the same.) It seems the military was having trouble finding enough buglers to play taps at funerals, partly because of the large number of WWII and Korean War vets who were passing away.

She asked me at the time if I wanted to volunteer for this organization, but I said no, mainly because I felt uncomfortable ... I had myself never served (for medical reasons, I could not have).

But this disgusts me. I am going to go track down this organization.


12 posted on 03/28/2013 6:24:14 PM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: Sigurdrifta

I should have said “my daughter, musician and Staff Sergeant, USMC”.


13 posted on 03/28/2013 6:28:09 PM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: Kaslin

Yes

Be sure to check the Post for a counter column I sent in. I’m afraid I wasn’t very nice.

The Silver Star Families of America will not stand by and let this crap go unanswered.


14 posted on 03/28/2013 6:50:51 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Kaslin
I don't think I'd want to share a table with Bill McClellan.

It would get loud. And violent.

Quite likely, one of us would be in need of a funeral by the time it ended.

15 posted on 03/28/2013 6:51:27 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: clintonh8r

Heh, heh! I like your attitude. Welcome home.

God bless the Marines!

:^)


16 posted on 03/28/2013 6:52:29 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: ConorMacNessa

The Air Force sent two men to my brother’s funeral. Taps was played from a CD.

At my father in law’s funeral there was a group of Navy reservists and a live bugler. It was at the National Cemetery in San Antonio. Hearses were lined up waiting to get in. They say it’s that way every day.


17 posted on 03/28/2013 7:03:11 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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To: Kaslin

As both an active duty chaplain, a retired chaplain, and as a pastor in our area, I have witnessed the graveside honors without the bugler.

There are two reasons for this:

By far the number one original reason was that an adequate bugler could not be found for that time and that location. Remember that the veteran’s funerals are no longer required to have a military honor detail. That went away more than two decade ago, iirc. (They are available for certain types of veterans, I believe...retirees, recipients of certain medals, etc.) Therefore, veteran funerals mostly use local honor guards faithfully formed by area American Legion Posts, VFW, DAV, AmVets, etc. They do not always have an adequate bugler.

That is where the CD bugler originated. Then it was recognized, of course, that it was cheaper, so I’m sure that plays into gradually removing the bugler altogether.


18 posted on 03/28/2013 7:16:21 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Terry Mross
My uncle, a WWII Vet, died in 2006. He was Army Infantry - 26th (Yankee) Division. After being wounded in November 1944, he was assigned to an Army Air Force outfit upon release from hospital. At his interment three men from the Air Force were present - one a bugler. It was fitting, but in light of his valorous service with the Yankee Division in France in 1944, he should have had a full complement of Army bearers, riflemen and bugler.

My wife's uncle, another Vet of WWII, was buried in a Veterans' Cemetery in New Jersey. "Taps" played from a CD. Absolutely unacceptable!



Where are the survivors of the massacre at Benghazi? The silence of the Obama Regime on this question is deafening!

Fiat Justitia, Ruat Coelum!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

19 posted on 03/28/2013 7:17:38 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Kaslin

We have a detail from Fort Carson and had one at Fort Riley that did funerals for free.


20 posted on 03/28/2013 7:18:54 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: ConorMacNessa

I remember as a kid going to a veteran’s funeral at the same cemetery where my brother is buried. The bugler would play a line then another bugler off in the woods would answer. It sounded like a full echo. It was chilling but awesome.


21 posted on 03/28/2013 7:52:31 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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To: Kaslin
Taps is going digital
22 posted on 03/28/2013 8:57:16 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Sigurdrifta

You had no shame in not serving due to medical issues but with your skills you can serve our vets now if you can.


23 posted on 03/28/2013 9:29:57 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: xzins

I read in a local paper a few years back that they were having trouble finding a bugler, and one of the solutions was to have a Boy Scout do the honors. That is, if they could find one who could play one. Also, they were considering, or had considered using band students from high schools or colleges to play them for the military funerals! They may have got some to do it, and for a minimal fee, if nothing! Also, the youngsters are happy and honored to do it!


24 posted on 03/28/2013 10:15:40 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: rfreedom4u

I’m wondering if they ever considered asking a band student from a high school or college, or a kid from a Boy Scout/Girl Scout troop who could play well? I read in a local paper awhile back that they had considered it, or did have a band student play, and they were honored and happy to do it!


25 posted on 03/28/2013 10:19:26 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: dsutah

Having conducted many funerals, and having done some with inadequate buglers, I can say that I do acknowledge the effort and dedication of some who have attempted to do Taps justice at a critical moment in the lives of the family of a deceased veteran.

I can also say that the ability to do the piece justice is important. Wrong notes, weak notes, inadequate notes all combine to marginalize the intent of the honors being paid. If it’s going to be done, it needs to be done very well.


26 posted on 03/29/2013 3:47:49 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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