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Author Sponsors Article V Constitutional Conference - Bypassing Washington
self ^ | March 30, 2013 | Bob Ireland

Posted on 03/30/2013 10:54:33 AM PDT by Bob Ireland

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To: Hostage
"No offense intended but this is full of raw naivete and naked ignorance."

So just how full of full of raw naivete and naked ignorance is it to believe YOU can control the agenda once such a convention is called?

::sigh:: and you want to insult me...... wow

61 posted on 03/31/2013 3:06:46 AM PDT by Lloyd227 (Class of 1998 (let's all help the Team McCain spider monkeys decide how to moderate))
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To: Bob Ireland

bttt

Will try to make it, if possible.


62 posted on 03/31/2013 9:38:18 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (It's a single step from relativism to barbarism, low information to Democrat, ignorance to tenure)
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To: Matchett-PI
***Will try to make it, if possible***

Quentin plans to attend if possible. If you wish to coordinate with him e-mail moi... He claims some pull at UCF; do I want to know what kind? hee hee

63 posted on 04/01/2013 12:38:46 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

Will do, if I see I can make it!


64 posted on 04/02/2013 6:21:23 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (It's a single step from relativism to barbarism, low information to Democrat, ignorance to tenure)
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To: Bob Ireland

Bump


65 posted on 04/08/2013 2:24:58 AM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Go for it! Restore the tenth amendment!”

I’m confused. How would that work? It, or rather the idea behind it—given that it’s really more of an exposition on the mechanics of the federal system than a law itself—is already in force. Why would Washingtonians pay any more attention to a “restored” tenth amendment than the good, old, original tenth amendment? Are you going to tack on a “no, seriously, guys” to the end of it?


66 posted on 04/10/2013 12:59:26 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

It’s up to the states to put teeth in it. Perhaps this would be a place to start if we could get enough states on board.


67 posted on 04/10/2013 1:03:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!n)
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To: Publius

“Amendment convention”/”constitutional convention,” what’s the difference? You do know, don’t you, that the convention which gave us the Constitution we all pretend still has the force of law was merely supposed to propose amendments to the Articles of Confederation. Not only didn’t it do that, it invented a whole new system of gubmint. If that wasn’t enough, it provided an illegal ratification process. In other words it was a coup, a coup which, surprise, aggrandized central authorities.

I imagine that’s the sort of thing any “amendment convention” would get up to these days, as well.


68 posted on 04/10/2013 1:09:33 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Bob Ireland

King George didn’t treat us as badly as we treated ourselves almost immediately after, maybe firing, the revolution. As you know, the tyranny has grown more onerous by a factor of, I can only imagine, a billion or so since.

The tea party was not about taxes. It was more like industrial sabotage. A crown chartered company “dumped” a surplus of tea on our market, thereby driving down the domestic price and hurting the bottom line of smugglers like Hancock.


69 posted on 04/10/2013 1:15:46 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: sergeantdave

If that happens, and it’ll never happen, what do you imagine Washingtonians will do? Say it’s been fun, boys, pack up whatever swag is lying around, and retire to their farms like Cincinnatus? They fought our bloodiest war to keep states under their thumb. Imagine what they’d do faced with the prospect of their own elimination, as they only pretended the Civil War was about, for instance in the Gettysburg address (government blah, blah, blah the people shall not perish from the earth? Wha?)


70 posted on 04/10/2013 1:24:56 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Jim Robinson

Why wouldn’t the feds ignore new teeth, just like they ignore the tenth amendment as is? Washington will never be cowed by legalistic teeth when it has the Civil War Card in its back pocket.


71 posted on 04/10/2013 1:30:20 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

The states have the ability to not be ignored if they wish.


72 posted on 04/10/2013 1:33:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!n)
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To: Jim Robinson

“The states have the ability to not be ignored if they wish”

They have the ability to be carpet bombed, invaded, reconstructed, and put in receivership for 150+ years, too. Oh, and the privilege of being denegrated by remaining bootlicker stated, too.


73 posted on 04/10/2013 1:39:31 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

FR stands for Liberty. Thanks!


74 posted on 04/10/2013 1:42:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!n)
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To: Tublecane
You have just enunciated one of the most pernicious myths of early American history. The Convention of 1787 was called on the authority of the states, whose legislatures chose delegates with the authority to do what was necessary. Under the Principle of Agency, the states were the Principals and the convention was the Agent, whose authority was defined by the Principals.

At first the Confederation Congress thought that the Philadelphia Convention would be no more successful than the Annapolis convention had been a year earlier. (It had adjourned without ever possessing a quorum.) But when Washington indicated he would be willing to be part of the Virginia delegation, the political calculus changed. The Confederation Congress realized this stagecoach was going to leave the way station without them, so they passed a resolution stating that the Convention must restrict itself to amending the Articles of Confederation and not go beyond that. However, the Confederation Congress had no authority to make such a resolution. Why? Because the Convention was called by the authority of the states, not Congress, and Congress by that resolution was interfering with the sovereignty of the states. Thus the Convention, free to act by the Principle of State Sovereignty and the Principle of Agency, was within its rights to act within the strictures set by the states, which it did. Madison made this point in the Federalist Papers.

Under the Articles of Confederation, Congress had the power to decide whether to pass the fruits of a convention on to the states for ratification or not. (George Mason made sure that this provision was left out of the Constitution.) Congress could have thanked Washington for his work, stated that the Convention had gone too far and refused to pass the Constitution on to the states for ratification. But the situation was grim, with an interstate trade war, Spain, France and England hovering overhead like vultures, Shays' Rebellion only recently put down, and no coin of the realm. Congress swallowed its pride and let the Constitution go forward to the states for ratification. It didn't have to, but it did.

Article V states clearly that an Amendments Convention can only propose amendments "as part of this Constitution". There is an implied ban on a convention issuing a new constitution unless the words of Article V are amended first. By the way, when it comes to proposing amendments to the states for ratification, Congress and an Amendments Convention have exactly the same right of proposal, no more and no less. Congress cannot propose a new constitution, and neither can the states through an Amendments Convention. The purpose of an Amendments Convention is to bypass an intransigent Congress and to permit the states to take control of the proposal process themselves.

75 posted on 04/10/2013 1:43:52 PM PDT by Publius
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To: Tublecane

How well do you think Schumer will do in a general’s uniform, leading a bunch of 70 IQ liberals who hold their glocks sideways?


76 posted on 04/10/2013 3:28:38 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: Tublecane
***King George didn’t treat us as badly as we treated ourselves***

I have said this exact phrase a number of times to my son the past few years.

Despite the whiskey tax / rebellion that got George Washington back on his horse momentarily, I don't think our history is generally one of tyranny; IMHO that horror is attributed solely to the Marxist [mostly] Democrap Party who have dedicated the past 50+ years to overthrowing the Constitution bit by bit - until today there is very little left of that wondrous historic document.

77 posted on 04/11/2013 9:52:21 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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