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To: rarestia

No. The bill originated in the House. However, it was an unrelated bill on veterans issues. The Senate took that bill number as a shell, substituted the healthcare language and rammed that through reconciliation. The House did ultimately vote on it... but the original language was not on the bill originated by the House.


11 posted on 04/01/2013 6:15:26 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

I believe, don’t quote me on this, that they cannot substantially change the language of a bill without going through committee. The more we read and know about how this bill came to life, the more corrupt it seems.


23 posted on 04/01/2013 6:48:52 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: pgyanke
No. The bill originated in the House. However, it was an unrelated bill on veterans issues. The Senate took that bill number as a shell, substituted the healthcare language and rammed that through reconciliation. The House did ultimately vote on it... but the original language was not on the bill originated by the House.

That is entirely correct. In theory, the Supremes could rule that the Senate's replacement of a bill in whole with completely unrelated text constitutes a new bill and thus violates the Constitution's requirement that tax bills originate in the House. In practice, we'll lose on this one because it has been done and tolerated many times. It's a shame too - freedom was a wonderful idea while it lasted.

28 posted on 04/01/2013 7:10:07 AM PDT by Pollster1
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