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Underestimating North Korea and Iran
israelnationalnews.com ^ | 28/02/13 | Dr. Peter Vincent Pry

Posted on 04/02/2013 5:12:25 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

Despite North Korea's successful long-range missile test in December 2012, and now its third successful nuclear test on February 12, 2013, the Obama administration and the press keep reassuring the American people that North Korea is not yet a fully fledged nuclear weapons state - that a North Korean nuclear missile threat to the United States is still years in the future.

The facts do not support this judgment. North Korea is already a major nuclear threat to the United States--an existential threat.

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The press appears to have forgotten that the U.S. intelligence community, under then Director of Central Intelligence, R. James Woolsey, testified to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on January 25, 1994, that North Korea then had enough plutonium for at least one nuclear weapon, and already had the bomb. So today, the Obama administration and the press expects us to believe that North Korea has still not figured out how to make a nuclear warhead for missile delivery, after nearly 20 years of trying.

Clinton administration mythology has it, largely accepted by a compliant press, that President Clinton's Agreed Framework initiative slowed or stopped North Korea's nuclear weapon program until an overly aggressive Bush administration provoked North Korea to resume warhead development with its first nuclear test in 2006.

This is nonsense.

I served on the congressional North Korea Advisory Group during the Clinton administration. We warned the White House, the press, anyone who would listen, that North Korea was cheating on the Agreed Framework. During the Clinton years, North Korea forged full speed ahead on its nuclear weapons program--including with a clandestine uranium centrifuge program, to supplement the known plutonium program for North Korea's advancing nuclear arsenal.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: emp; iran; irannuclear; nkiran; nknuclear; northkorea; nuclear

1 posted on 04/02/2013 5:12:25 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The timing of all this stuff is interesting for me. I just rented the new “Red Dawn”, not knowing that it took place in Spokane (close to where I was born) and that the bad guys were the Koreans.

On a side note, I really enjoyed the movie.


2 posted on 04/02/2013 5:21:19 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

NK is like the crazy bum who gets agitated when you say “No”. The bum yells and threatens to cut your throat, and you ignore him, because he never has acted on it.

We assume that NK won’t act on their threats, because they only act out occasionally. Frankly, I think all of this bluster crap would stop if we would communicate clearly to Lil Chubby that we are going to take him out, personally, the next time anything comes across the DMZ. Delivering the message during one of their major stomp and sneer parades via cruise missiles filled with leaflets would be perfect.

Additionally, we need to either take back the Pueblo or blow it to kingdom come.


3 posted on 04/02/2013 5:25:42 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Underestimating North Korea and Iran

The foreign policy of "Amateur Hour on the Potomac" will get a lot of people killed.

But "What difference at this point does it make?"

4 posted on 04/02/2013 5:29:35 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

It’s the artillery centered in on Seoul that most worries the South


5 posted on 04/02/2013 5:30:55 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The incompetency and ideological insanity of the current POTUS, child faggot, will spin us into a global confligration sooner than later.


6 posted on 04/02/2013 5:40:42 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Wouldn’t it be a pisser if the Norks launched an EMB nuke right over Kansas?


7 posted on 04/02/2013 5:40:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SampleMan

“you ignore him, because he never has acted on it.”

And that’s probably a mistake. Obama is playing a dangerous game.

It’s hard to see how the boy ruler in NK can back down now without looking like a fool and lose all credibility in the world stage. The idiot is worshiped as a god and probably thinks he can wage war and win.


8 posted on 04/02/2013 5:42:37 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Uncle Chip

Artillery is still one of the deadliest weapons on the battlefield.


9 posted on 04/02/2013 5:42:45 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: SampleMan

The Pueblo should have been destroyed the day after it was taken.


10 posted on 04/02/2013 6:04:48 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
It’s hard to see how the boy ruler in NK can back down now without looking like a fool and lose all credibility in the world stage.

This is what worries me too. That he talks and acts himself into a corner, and then HAS to do something, to save face for the lunatic army he has.
11 posted on 04/02/2013 6:09:50 AM PDT by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The North Koreans have China backing them and they ARE a legitimate Nuclear threat.

Plus China has been feeling out Japan and Taiwan for the
Last year
Meanwhile Obama is cutting our Nuclear arsenal cutting our military putting women in combat, and trying to disarm Americans, and buying up all the ammunition so we cannot get any.


12 posted on 04/02/2013 6:12:29 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: BarnacleCenturion

You mean...

They really ARE an “Axis of Evil”?????????

remember how nearly everybody tore Dubya a new one for sayin’ that?


13 posted on 04/02/2013 6:14:44 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: left that other site

One of the few things he got right and no one listened.

I was thinking of buying a Hyundai but think I will not as replacement parts may be hard to come by.


14 posted on 04/02/2013 6:22:39 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: cuban leaf
And we (the U.S.) thought the Russians were a decade behind us in becoming a nuclear threat. We were very wrong,after they lit-one off in 1949 (only 4 years after we did).
Never underestimate your enemy.
15 posted on 04/02/2013 6:25:32 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Uncle Chip

Correct...


16 posted on 04/02/2013 6:49:35 AM PDT by Doofer (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: SampleMan

The Pueblo is in drydock getting a repaired and repainted. It was moved from its usual spot several weeks ago. The masts had to be removed to get the ship under some bridges. I found that info on the Pueblo’s crew’s website. Would it be nice if they were fixing it up to give it back to us. Wishful thinking there.


17 posted on 04/02/2013 7:07:08 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (The LEFT's intolerance of the RIGHT is intolerable.)
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To: Mouton

No one ever listens.

That’s why we are where we are.


18 posted on 04/02/2013 7:08:03 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“You can’t fight in here! This is the War Room!”-Dr. Strangelove


19 posted on 04/02/2013 7:12:43 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“...The Pueblo should have been destroyed the day after it was taken....”

The Pueblo should never have been taken. there was a carrier within an hour’s flight time from her and going supersonic for a bit, our planes could have gotten there in time to engage and persuade the NOKOs to act differently. Pueblo could have gotten out of a sticky situation had the powers that be launched planes to change the dynamic of the situation. But “they” waited too long and the rest is history.


20 posted on 04/02/2013 7:13:11 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (The LEFT's intolerance of the RIGHT is intolerable.)
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To: cuban leaf

Does anybody think this nutjob would be issuing these threats if Bush were still in charge?

They know we have a wimp in charge who will do NOTHING.


21 posted on 04/02/2013 7:17:58 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The Pueblo should have been destroyed the day after it was taken.
North Korea should have been destroyed the day after the Pueblo was taken.
22 posted on 04/02/2013 7:28:28 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SampleMan

An EMP warhead fired from a container ship off our coasts will do lots of damage. No way to stop it as there are loads of ships out there and there is no missile defense shield in place. They also don’t need any fancy targeting systems or a big rocket. Just aim it in our general direction and that’s all she wrote.

King Fatboy was looking at a cruise ship in one of these posts so maybe that there plan.


23 posted on 04/02/2013 7:47:30 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The article provided some interesting information about nuclear devices and EMP weapons, most of which I was previously unaware.

It would seem to me that any super EMP weapon developed and used by NK would have the full backing and support of other nations like China and Russia. Using NK as a proxy would serve their interests in reducing/eliminating US power without getting their hands dirty.

24 posted on 04/02/2013 7:51:31 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The North Korean elites might willingly sacrifice half of their population in a war of their choosing, since almost half of population of North Korea is in the military.

Videos of their military parades show a hoard of malnourished, brainwashed, young (and old) conscripts.

This chart, which shows military strenght comparisons to the US and other nations is troubling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops


25 posted on 04/02/2013 8:04:11 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: SampleMan
NK is like the crazy bum who gets agitated when you say “No”. The bum yells and threatens to cut your throat, and you ignore him, because he never has acted on it.

O/T, but I get approached by bums at my grocery store parking lot. Nothing says "No" like a large bore muzzle. They only get to see that when they threaten to cut my throat.

26 posted on 04/02/2013 8:14:07 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Travis McGee

Yes it would suck. They don’t even have to hit a target to cause grief.


27 posted on 04/02/2013 8:15:14 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: sodpoodle

If the idiots that are feeding NK would cut off the food supply then NK would shrink in size. Attrition is effective.


28 posted on 04/02/2013 8:21:32 AM PDT by soycd
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To: unixfox

In my gut I believe he is just doing what his dad did: Threaten to kill us until we give him more money. He’s just not very good at it yet.


29 posted on 04/02/2013 8:39:25 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: oh8eleven
I'll defer to your better judgment.
30 posted on 04/02/2013 9:16:30 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: soycd
If the idiots that are feeding NK would cut off the food supply then NK would shrink in size. Attrition is effective.

The list of idiots would include the USA, Japan, South Korea and India to name a few. We used to airlift bags of rice into NK. They would refuse any rice that had packaging from South Korea or Japan. The rice had to be re-bagged in Indian bags.

31 posted on 04/02/2013 11:05:08 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: Wiggins

Yes it is. What’s deadlier for the artillery is when it’s located by a weapons system that quickly locates it and sends a missile to destroy it within a matter of minutes. A very few minutes. The Iraqis found this out real quick in Desert Storm.


32 posted on 04/02/2013 1:12:01 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
...the Obama administration and the press keep reassuring the American people that North Korea is not yet a fully fledged nuclear weapons state...

33 posted on 04/02/2013 7:58:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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