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Democrats push bill in Congress to require gun insurance under penalty of fine
FoxNews.com ^ | Published April 02, 2013 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 04/02/2013 9:36:35 AM PDT by Wiggins

A New York Democratic lawmaker is behind a national push that would force gun owners to buy liability insurance or face a $10,000 fine.

The Firearm Risk Protection Act, pushed by Rep. Carolyn Maloney and seven co-sponsors, follows efforts at the state level to create the controversial new kind of insurance for gun owners.

"For too long, gun victims and society at large have borne the brunt of the costs of gun violence," Maloney said in a written statement. "My bill would change that by shifting some of that cost back onto those who own the weapons."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/02/democrats-push-bill-in-congress-to-require-gun-insurance/#ixzz2PKBX9mGE

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 113th; banglist; guncontrol; maloney; secondamendment

1 posted on 04/02/2013 9:36:35 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Wiggins

Sure, just as long as the equivalent fee is charged for voting.


2 posted on 04/02/2013 9:40:01 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Wiggins
There is a similar bill in MA that made it out of committee recently.

I have written to everyone I can think of on this horrible and discriminatory idea.

In this state, if passed, it could cost law-abiding gun owners thousands of dollars for this insurance. I will not comply.

3 posted on 04/02/2013 9:40:26 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: Wiggins

I pray that the people will remember this when the 2014 elections come around.

“Gun Insurance” is not only an affront to law-abiding citizens, but it’s a bloody back-door registration scheme.

DemonRATS do NOT support the 2nd Amendment, never have since Reconstruction Days.

RINOs don’t support the 2nd Amendment, either.


4 posted on 04/02/2013 9:41:47 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Wiggins

One notes that every punitive firearm-related law proposed will impose a burden on peaceful, law-abiding, citizens while having no effect on the criminal class.


5 posted on 04/02/2013 9:42:25 AM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Wiggins

I know, I know, lets force criminals to carry insurance for the crimes they are going to commit.

dats the ticket


6 posted on 04/02/2013 9:42:34 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Wiggins

Uh Huh...THEN the fed will go into the ‘gun ins.’ business, right!?

Wall-to-wall Obamacare accross the board. I want to throw up!


7 posted on 04/02/2013 9:42:43 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Wiggins

These people have learned nothing.

It’s gotta be a ‘tax’. That way Roberts will vote to uphold it when the lawsuit reaches the Supreme Court.

Sigh.


8 posted on 04/02/2013 9:42:51 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: Wiggins
I don't REALLY know but, I think I recall something about most or all states have some sort of 'victim's fund'.

If I DO recall correctly, this additional 'fund' would be double dipping for the gunshot victim or victim's family while adding an (unecesary) burden onto the gun owner.

Just thinkin' out load and probably have my facts a little screwed up.

9 posted on 04/02/2013 9:42:57 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Wiggins

I aint got any guns..


10 posted on 04/02/2013 9:43:10 AM PDT by crz
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Name an insurance company which would actually sell the policies.


11 posted on 04/02/2013 9:43:30 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Name an insurance company which would actually sell the policies.

Even if there was a company willing to sell insurance, the Dems, by driving the company out of business, would then have an effective gun ban.

12 posted on 04/02/2013 9:45:32 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Wiggins

So....how would they know who has guns and thus required to own said insurance????/


13 posted on 04/02/2013 9:45:34 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: driftdiver

To second an earlier post.. “Revive the Poll Tax” seems to be what Dems want.


14 posted on 04/02/2013 9:45:38 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Wiggins

Backdoor effort to reduce the number of gun owners.

Ironic, too.

Millions of Americans purchase or drive cars without insurance, many of them illegal aliens.

They inflict billions of dollars of property damage and kill or permanently disable thousands of people.

The Democrats response.....

Yawn.


15 posted on 04/02/2013 9:46:33 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: driftdiver

I’ll set one up. With 150 million guns in the US, and the tiny number that are used in crime that would be owned by people that actually bought insurance, whoever sells it will be filthy rich....


16 posted on 04/02/2013 9:46:58 AM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

The criminals will get the insurance charge dropped because it will discriminate against Blacks just like Bartley-Fox was.


17 posted on 04/02/2013 9:49:40 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

Will gangs get Group rates?


18 posted on 04/02/2013 9:50:33 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: zeestephen

As a lifelong runner, I also want insurance on kids with racing bikes.

As I tell my family.....

“If I don’t come home one day, it will not be a heart attack. It’ll be some kid on a bike who slammed me into oncoming traffic.”


19 posted on 04/02/2013 9:53:31 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: driftdiver
Name an insurance company which would actually sell the policies.

Probably a plan behind this one to have "single-payer".

20 posted on 04/02/2013 9:55:39 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: massgopguy
Terrific one liner, gop guy!
21 posted on 04/02/2013 9:55:59 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Wiggins

Same as 0bamacare except instead of health care it’s guns. ARE THEY SURE THIS ISN’T A TAX?


22 posted on 04/02/2013 10:05:33 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Solson; Wiggins

Solson~:” So....how would they know who has guns and thus required to own said insurance????/ “

The IRS would conduct an ‘inventory’ of insurance companies to
make sure that they were accurately reporting profits and coverage,
thus gaining access to business records.
That sounds much simplier and would not be resisted by smaller companies
who are not represented by any political lobbying groups

This still represents backdoor registration
with government (indirect ) oversight


23 posted on 04/02/2013 10:07:42 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

The govt already has a lot of access to insurance company data.


24 posted on 04/02/2013 10:12:04 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Wiggins

Wonder how she’s going to get the gang bangers to buy the insurance?


25 posted on 04/02/2013 10:13:52 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

So this would mean, that this bill would place worth on Human life @ $1 million! Could this not set a precedent on all loss of Human life due to other circunstances.
If it was proven the perp just happened to pick the wrong house, intending for it to be the neighbor house, one weaponless and an easy target, and you did not verify why the perp was in your house and had the wrong directions from his GPS, your insurance would have to pay off.


26 posted on 04/02/2013 10:14:05 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: driftdiver
Name an insurance company which would actually sell the policies.

Any number of them. Why wouldn't they? Insurance is mandatory here for autos. And we cannot shop for best deals with out of state companies. All insurance companies charge the same rates by mandate of The State.

And even if no current insurance company would, then it would be 'sold' by the yet to be created "Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Public Safety Insurance Division".

27 posted on 04/02/2013 10:15:06 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: Wiggins

The Democrat talking points:

Voter ID: too restrictive and burdensome on the public to have to go through such a rigorous process; would disenfranchise tens of thousands.

Abortion Notifications/Information: too restrictive and burdensome on women - interferes with rights of privacy and it’s the government interfering between the rights of a women and her doctor. (Don’t even get me started on Obamacare)

Gun registration: Necessary for a peaceful society; must save the children.

Gun insurance: must transfer the societal costs of gun violence to the [lawful] gun owners.

I think it’s way past time to start hitting back to expose the hypocrisy.


28 posted on 04/02/2013 10:19:21 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

They can also force gun owners like myself with permits to submit insurance I.D. cards and have the insurance companies notify the county or state when or if the insurance lapses. Like some states do with motor vehicle insurance. Then they could fine people $10K and suspend their pistol permit until they come up with the cash. After a certain period of time you lose your gun, permit and still have to pay the fine or get arrested. If gun registration is ever passed they could enact this policy on every gun owner that obeys the gun registration law. Anyone caught with an unregistered, uninsured gun gets arrested and fined. These people are out of control.


29 posted on 04/02/2013 10:20:13 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Many insurance companies will refuse to cover firearms, or businesses which focus on firearms.


30 posted on 04/02/2013 10:20:37 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: alancarp

Hey Kim Il Jong. I hear Obama’s talking about your mama and he doesn’t think you have the guts to fire a nuke at the WH...: )


31 posted on 04/02/2013 10:21:19 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Wiggins

Next they’ll want the same for my English Long Bow and Forged Steel Tip arrows.


32 posted on 04/02/2013 10:21:45 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: driftdiver

I don’t know everything about the biz but I know how businesses get set up in MA. One does not open their doors without liability insurance. FFLs must have it like everyone else. Those companies who sell coverage are probably already working on the actuarials...if they haven’t already.


33 posted on 04/02/2013 10:23:55 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: Wiggins

Wasn’t there a time when congress passed a tax on printer’s ink, and this was found unconstitutional - for it suppressed the first amendment?

In a sane world, this would apply to second amendment as well.


34 posted on 04/02/2013 10:25:58 AM PDT by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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To: Wiggins

Looks like they found some new spending money.


35 posted on 04/02/2013 10:38:06 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Wiggins

I know the answer to this question before I ask it, (making it rhetorical) but what do Freepers think as to Baloney’s constitutional justification for this legislation?

Perhaps from the area in her twat where she stores her other bright ideas?


36 posted on 04/02/2013 10:51:42 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: DMZFrank

“Thou shall not infringe”

If there is a gun tax, then there certainly must be a poll tax


37 posted on 04/02/2013 10:55:54 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: Vaduz

It’s a RIGHT, people. You cannot place monetary conditions on a right. Right to vote, right to worship w/o registering yourself as a Methodist or whatever, right to read (or publish) w/o getting gov’t approval, etc.

We have a government ruling us, most of the members of which don’t even have a clue about our Constitution. And most of them are f’ing lawyers! And our citizens - or subjects - aren’t any better informed.

Ignorance is deadly. Sorry, I’m ranting, but I just woke up and I’m not ready for this.


38 posted on 04/02/2013 11:07:18 AM PDT by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: Jewbacca

‘We’re not going to violate your rights, we’re just going to charge you for using them...and if you don’t pay up, you’re gonna be in trouble.’

Didn’t the mafia used to do something like this?


39 posted on 04/02/2013 11:20:44 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Wiggins
Wait wait wait .....how are the poor who live in the most dangerous urban environments extant gonna pay for gun insurance? I guess the ghetto mom who can barely afford to buy a WEAPON to protect the family in the first place... is going to be thrown to the mercys of the gang bangin druggies? This is dangerous for the poor and for the children of the poor. Ain't these the very folks the libs pretend to stand for? The liberal village elders seem ready and willing and able to sacrifice these unfortunates for some mindless 'feel good' legislation. This plan does not seem well thought out to me.........



ALLOW THEM TO PROTECT
THEMSELVES THEY MUST

40 posted on 04/02/2013 11:29:02 AM PDT by jimsin
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To: Wiggins

AIds cost a bundle.

Register and require gays to get insurance.


41 posted on 04/02/2013 12:13:46 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I predict the exact same Freepers will hate the GOP Candidate for: 2016,2020,2024,2028, 2032.)
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To: bert

Obama only wants you to raise your arm to a 45 degree angle and repeat the following: “Seig Heil”


42 posted on 04/02/2013 12:57:14 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: Wiggins

If they don’t know who owns guns, how can they make you purchase insurance for them?

I lost all my guns on a trip down the Yukon River.


43 posted on 04/02/2013 1:14:54 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Solson
So....how would they know who has guns and thus required to own said insurance????/

CCW permits in 49 States might give them a clue...
If the Feds can pressure the States into giving up the data.

Regards,
GtG

44 posted on 04/02/2013 1:38:55 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Wiggins

Then, we will be not far from the “free speech insurance” law under the obama regime.


45 posted on 04/02/2013 1:40:54 PM PDT by OneHun
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To: Wiggins

Gays should pay for liability insurance.

AIDS costs far more than gun violence.


46 posted on 04/02/2013 7:14:11 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I predict the exact same Freepers will hate the GOP Candidate for: 2016,2020,2024,2028, 2032.)
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To: Westbrook

“I pray that the people will remember this when the 2014 elections come around.”

We will not.

We will focus on the shoes our candidates once owned and find 12 reasons not to support them.

ANYONE can walk into any room filled with conservatives and split them into 7 different factions.

That’s why we lost the culture wars.

Anyone.


47 posted on 04/02/2013 7:16:23 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I predict the exact same Freepers will hate the GOP Candidate for: 2016,2020,2024,2028, 2032.)
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To: beelzepug

Ignorance is deadly
D.C.proves it every day.


48 posted on 04/03/2013 8:46:32 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Wiggins

Wiggins ~:” They can also force gun owners like myself with permits to submit insurance I.D. cards
and have the insurance companies notify the county or state when or if the insurance lapses.
Like some states do with motor vehicle insurance.”

Nope !!
As originally proposed in New York State ~ they will confsicate
Then like an automobile , it will go into the “pound” whereby the fine will be so high , you will default on the firearm ..
then they win ! Subtrefuge confiscation.


49 posted on 04/03/2013 2:12:35 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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