“Your argument started out in the wrong direction but you circled back around to the answer. Remember Jesus told the the pharisees that all of their laws could be pared down to 2 rules? But Pharisees piled law upon law on the backs of God’s people. It didn’t make them better people or closer to God. On the contrary, Jesus said the traditions of men actually prevented people from entering the kingdom.”
God istituted government to restrain evil doers. Any government, how poor it may be, is better than no government. Because man is instrinsically flawed they must be restrained. So, it IS necessary to set moral standards by LAW and enforce them. Libertarians are to obtuse to grasp this. It is NOT a perfect solution, but the only one that will remotely work. You CANNOT expect fallen man to do anything other than be selfish.....and it is naive to think “liberty” will bring about an orderly (meaning we all can get along - for the most part) society. Extreme “liberty” only creates chaos.
We are NEVER going to have heaven on earth. Making men “behave” (under penalty of law) in moral ways, will not make them righteous or inwardly moral (and Christians)....but it does set up a environment conducive to them doing so. Scripture is condematory over things like, “every man did what was right in his own eyes.”
The majority of folks living in America today have no grasp of “right and wrong.” To them, right is whatever makes me feel good, wrong is what does not. That is not a people that can be allowed to do whatever they want....that is NOT liberty.
STOP TRYING TO SAY THAT Paul is a morale man or even a wise one - he is fool (less than others - but still a fool). The fool has no problems with homosexuality. That is an example of a behavior that should be suppressed. Paul is not on the right side of that issue....a very key one. That is the flaw of his libertarian viewpoint.
Again, it is a scriptural view that government exits to suppress evil doers....enforce moral behavior. The only real point of proper contention on this issue is who determines what is moral? There is the root problem. One I cannot answer.
BTW - I DO NOT advocate forcing moralty as a means of making person Christian...that is folly as well. However, I know that a “moral” environment is conducive to the free unencumbered spread of Christianity.
There are no Libertarians that I know who advocate the abolition of government. This republic is very specific in delegating to government certain duties derived from the natural rights held by citizens, granted by God, in order to protect their liberty. That's basic civics 101. So let's not keep trotting out that red herring that Libertarians or constitutional conservatives are anarchists.
"STOP TRYING TO SAY THAT Paul is a morale man or even a wise one - he is fool (less than others - but still a fool)."
I'm still waiting for someone to show me how foolish this man is. I should just take your word because... you said so???
His record and plank is documented here: Paul on the issues
You slander and attack the man - how about you back it up with something tangible... i.e. he is a fool because...
- Supports Amendment to prevent same sex marriage. (Aug 2010)
- Opposes same-sex marriage. (Nov 2009)
- Opposes affirmative action. (Aug 2010)
- Life begins at conception. (Jul 2010)
- Opposes federal abortion funding. (Aug 2010)
- Prohibit federal funding for abortion. (May 2011)
Is that a quote from Chairman Mao? Or Dr. Pritchett from Atlas Shrugged?
"Therefore, we must control men in order to force them to be free."Government is run by flawed men. Give them power over people and they want more. Give them resources and they want more. They get more because "it's for the people", "it's for the kids", "it's to ensure freedom". Oddly enough, we get more laws but less liberty and happiness. We get worse results the more we give power to overseers.
Do we need 17,000 pages of health care regs (so far) or 30,000 pages of tax rules? How big is the reach the government? Over 1/2 of our population is taking some form of money from the FedGov or local pols. Is that enough? Do we have enough watchers watching the watchers? It is so out of control that our country has debt and unfunded liabilities of $150 TRILLION and growing, but we take in $3.5 trillion a year and borrow 40% of every dollar. Is that enough rules and regs? We need a few more mandates and we'll all be free then...
It's insane that we are debating the need for more laws, more government, more control. It's going to end, but not well...