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School: Americans Don’t Have Right to Bear Arms
http://radio.foxnews.com/ ^ | 04/09/2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 04/09/2013 7:07:53 AM PDT by massmike

The father of a Connecticut child is furious after discovering that his son’s school is teaching students that Americans don’t have a Second Amendment right to bear arms.

“I am appalled,” said Steven Boibeaux, of Bristol. “It sounds to me like they are trying to indoctrinate our kids.”

Boibeaux’s son is an eighth grader at Northeast Middle School. On Monday his social studies teacher gave students a worksheet titled, ‘The Second Amendment Today.’

“The courts have consistently determined that the Second Amendment does not ensure each individual the right to bear arms,” the worksheet states. “The courts have never found a law regulating the private ownership of weapons unconstitutional.

The worksheet, published by Instructional Fair, goes on to say that the Second Amendment is not incorporated against the states.

“This means that the rights of this amendment are not extended to the individual citizens of the states,” the worksheet reads. “So a person has no right to complain about a Second Amendment violation by state laws.”

According to the document, the Second Amendment “only provides the right of a state to keep an armed National Guard.”

His son’s teacher also told the students that the Constitution is a “living document.” As noted in the worksheet provided to students – that means “the interpretation changes to meet the needs of the times.”

“The judges and courts of each generation provide the interpretation of the document,” the worksheet states.

School officials did not return calls seeking comment.

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To: Oberon
The handout was untrue on several points...

The teacher should try and do some actual research (ha)and not rely on handouts from a dubious source.

Most, if not all, of the Bill of Rights has been "Incorporated".

Even the often overlooked Amendment III (Freedom from quartering of soldiers) has been ruled to apply to the states...

41 posted on 04/09/2013 8:14:02 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: massmike

Revolt is coming.


42 posted on 04/09/2013 8:18:20 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

They got it wrong in so many different ways, makes you think it was on purpose.


43 posted on 04/09/2013 8:22:03 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: FunkyZero
Keep up the good work! Hope more parents take the time to find out what their kids are learning and counter the indoctrinaton.
44 posted on 04/09/2013 8:30:09 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: muir_redwoods
Logically, an unlimited right would entail an unlimited responsibility since rights are always connected to responsibilities. I am satisfied that the second amendment does not allow me to buy a tactical nuke or a battle ship or some other weapon of mass destruction. I do think I should be able to be as well armed as the typical infantryman but I’m ahead of the courts on that one.

Since there is a clause on Letters of Marque, the Constitution assumes private citizens and companies would own war ships.

I only assume WMDs, Nuclear, Chemical and Biological, are not covered. Local Militias owned their own cannon and mortars.

45 posted on 04/09/2013 8:40:58 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The teachers are not clueless. Stop thinking of them being stupid.

They are doing this on purpose. They are following an agenda.


46 posted on 04/09/2013 8:51:56 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

“Take back?” We never had it. The entire concept is socialist. At best, we can switch to vouchers. Fighting over wording in textbooks to fix our centrally planned school system is like treating skin cancer with Oil of Olay.


47 posted on 04/09/2013 8:56:27 AM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Theoria

Rights are not unlimited, by definition. Every right defines a relationship between two or more people. My right to speak is limited by the rights of others, for example, to be left alone on their private property. So if I’m doing door to door political speech or religious persuasion, my right to speak or exercise my faith does not empower me to trespass uninvited on another’s property, or to use a megaphone at 3am just below someone’s bedroom window.

So there are some restrictions, and they can be necessary to the preservation of rights for every party in a relationship. Scalia’s reference to this principle for guns is not surprising in a constitutional setting, even for a fundamental right.

However, I think the gun grabbers are reading way too much into it. It’s clear from Heller that there is some definable central purpose of the right that would allow some regulation that does not infringe on the right itself. For example, in free speech law we have time, place, and manner limitations. Yes, they can and do go too far at times. But more often there is a balance to them that tries to preserve everyone’s rights as well as possible. But at the end of the day we do not prohibit speech based on viewpoint, etc.

The analogy isn’t perfect, though, and that in part is what the gun grabbers are tripping over. The right to speak freely is important, but arguably the right of the innocent to physical preservation must be honored or none of the others can be honored. Armed self defense comes in at that deeper bedrock, and no regulations can create a de facto ban on that basic capability without denying the right itself.

That’s why I believe the Heller court would throw down, for example, the so-called high capacity magazine ban. It’s not something that can be regulated without interfering materially with one’s ability to stay alive in a variety of conflict scenarios. It is further protected by the common use principle of Heller. If the Heller court can remain in tact for a few more years, I think it will solidify 2A jurisprudence favorably to the preservation of the right.


48 posted on 04/09/2013 8:57:36 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: massmike
“I am appalled,” said Steven Boibeaux, of Bristol. “It sounds to me like they are trying to indoctrinate our kids.”

duh...

49 posted on 04/09/2013 8:58:21 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: Springfield Reformer

The difference between the left & right’s view on guns comes down to basic assumptions.

We, like the founders, are inherently suspicious of government power, and see the need for defending ourselves from it.

They, being humanists, see no inherent danger in government. Quite to the contrary, they believe getting the “right people” in power and not limiting that power is the road to utopia. It never works out that way, because their basic assumptions about the nature of man are wrong.


50 posted on 04/09/2013 9:01:03 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: muir_redwoods; Theoria
I do think I should be able to be as well armed as the typical infantryman but I’m ahead of the courts on that one.

That is my opinion as well. I believe the original founders believed the nation needed men that could be "battled ready" if the need arisen, whether to defend the nation against foreign or domestic threat.

This meant at the least the abilities that an common soldier would need. Thus an M-16 would be as common today as an musket would have been in their Revolutionary era.

Cannons would have required special training and were expensive thus not an common item every soldier would carry (as would nuclear weapons)

I don't believe the Constitution would be "hostile" to the concept if common soldiers are nuclear armed but, as a practical matter, it is pretty much an moot point.

Now when laser "pistols" become practical, I want one(lol)
51 posted on 04/09/2013 9:08:04 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: massmike
“I am appalled,” said Steven Boibeaux, of Bristol. “It sounds to me like they are trying to indoctrinate our kids.”

You're just figuring that out now?

Earth to Mr. Boibeaux, public schools have been doing that for a hundred years. It was their principle purpose.

Sheesh.

52 posted on 04/09/2013 9:12:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: massmike

People give up their freedom so easily.


53 posted on 04/09/2013 9:16:19 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: RedMonqey
RedMonqey said: "Cannons would have required special training and were expensive thus not an common item every soldier would carry ..."

The "Shot Heard Round the World" was fired outside Boston on April 19th, 1775. The regular army troops which carried out the fateful raid on Lexington and Concord were dispatched from an occupied city which was being punished by the monarchy for prior misbehaviors.

After the outbreak of open hostilities, the rebels, our Founders, found it necessary to send groups of militia to Fort Ticonderoga to take cannons by force from the government forces protecting the fort. These cannon were dragged through the countryside to Boston where they permitted the rebels to expel the King's forces from the city.

The Second Amendment could not possibly be intended to force future rebels to have to start hostilities against a tyrannical government from a position of weakness that would exist if the possession of cannons were denied to the people.

54 posted on 04/09/2013 9:45:30 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: massmike
According to the document, the Second Amendment “only provides the right of a state to keep an armed National Guard.”

This teacher is wrong for so many reasons. One of them is above. The National Guard is an already organized part of the nation's army. It is not the militia.

55 posted on 04/09/2013 10:33:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: massmike

So their teaching outright and verifiable lies?


56 posted on 04/09/2013 11:58:28 AM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: massmike

Which part of of The Right of the People or Retained by the People is ignored in these silly azz arguments?

 
And who exactly are "The People"?

 

Amendment I

Freedoms, Petitions, Assembly

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

Right to bear arms

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

Quartering of soldiers

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

Search and arrest

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

Rights in criminal cases

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb, nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

Right to a fair trial

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed; which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence.

Amendment VII

Rights in civil cases

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Bail, fines, punishment

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

Rights retained by the People

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

States' rights

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

 


57 posted on 04/09/2013 12:09:37 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: massmike

bump


58 posted on 04/09/2013 12:10:09 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: massmike
Here's the offending assignment in question:


59 posted on 04/09/2013 12:18:38 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: El Laton Caliente; muir_redwoods
Blackwater is a private security company and they list the following training on their Blackwaterjob.com listing:

WEAPONS TRAINING

Weapons training will involve 7 weapon systems

    • M4 AR Rifle
    • Glock 19 Pistol
    • M249 Squad Automatic Machine Gun
    • M240 Medium Machine Gun
    • Mossberg 500 Shotgun
    • M203 Grenade launcher

60 posted on 04/09/2013 12:24:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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