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NRA Fires Back: Gun rights group to oppose Manchin, Toomey background check bill
Washington Free Beacon ^ | April 10, 2013 | CJ Ciaramella

Posted on 04/10/2013 10:36:37 AM PDT by xzins

The National Rifle Association will oppose the background check bill introduced by Sen. Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.) and Sen. Pat Toomey (R., Pa.) Wednesday, the pro-Second Amendment group told the Free Beacon.

Manchin and Toomey held a press conference Wednesday morning announcing a bipartisan bill that would expand background checks for all commercial firearm sales, including gun shows and Internet sales.

The bill is the latest effort by the Senate to introduce background check legislation, after negotiations between Sen. Tom Coburn (R., Okla.) and Democrats broke down earlier this year.

Manchin’s office told BuzzFeed Wednesday that the senators had been talking with the NRA, but the Second Amendment group had thus far remained “neutral.”

“The NRA has not said either way,” Katie Longo, Manchin’s press secretary, told BuzzFeed. “The senators have been talking to the NRA, but they’re still neutral.”

A spokesman for the NRA said the report was “wrong.”

The NRA reiterated its opposition to expanded background checks in a statement to the Washington Free Beacon.

“Expanding background checks at gun shows will not prevent the next shooting, will not solve violent crime and will not keep our kids safe in schools,” the NRA said. “While the overwhelming rejection of President Obama and Mayor Bloomberg’s ‘universal’ background check agenda is a positive development, we have a broken mental health system that is not going to be fixed with more background checks at gun shows.

“The sad truth is that no background check would have prevented the tragedy in Newtown, Aurora or Tucson,” the NRA’s statement continued. “We need a serious and meaningful solution that addresses crime in cities like Chicago, addresses mental health deficiencies, while at the same time protecting the rights of those of us who are not a danger to anyone. President Obama should be as committed to dealing with the gang problem that is tormenting honest people in his hometown as he is to blaming law-abiding gun owners for the acts of psychopathic murderers.”


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To: dragnet2

I’m referring to the NRA.


61 posted on 04/10/2013 12:45:42 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Uh...So was I.


62 posted on 04/10/2013 12:46:20 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

compared to other groups the nra is the 8000 lb gorilla in the room. they have the membership, the resources, and the money to take action.

multiply 4.5 million members by 10 means that many like minded REGISTERED VOTERS.


63 posted on 04/10/2013 12:46:43 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: dragnet2

Good. Now it’s clear.


64 posted on 04/10/2013 12:48:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
they are right about this

Agreed, this is what is important now and they need to be supported on this decision. We can deal with all of their other misteps on the side.

65 posted on 04/10/2013 12:48:59 PM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: Nevermore
I am not clear on what makes these background checks dangerous.

Under the Framers' intent, and the founding generation's understanding of the US Constitution, was the assumption that the rights guaranteed under the first ten amendments, were inherent in the people, that is, given by God, and not dependent nor granted by any government of men.

In that wise, they stand in superior position to the US Constitution and every law, statute, regulation, and ordinance of government. It then logically follows that our government does not have the authority to make any law appertaining to our God-given rights.

Every firearms related law on the books at this time, is in violation of this fundamental reality. Allowing Congress to implement more laws that attach to our God-given rights is simply a surrender of even more of our natural liberties.

It's fundamentally wrong, and can only lead to yet more laws and loss of our freedoms.

66 posted on 04/10/2013 1:07:09 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
What part of "shall not be infringed" is difficult to understand?

Apparently, it's the part about "shall not be infringed" that leftists have trouble understanding. Purposely, I might add.

67 posted on 04/10/2013 1:09:39 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Nevermore

It’s none of there damned business. We have a God-given, constitutionally guaranteed right to be armed. No permits, no checking, no government lists required (or permitted)!!

They want my gun, they’ll have to come and take it!!


68 posted on 04/10/2013 1:10:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!n)
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To: PotatoChop
the socialists are
69 posted on 04/10/2013 1:11:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: xzins
By its very nature, the NRA should always be on the attack.

NRA/ILA's goal should be to render NRA/ILA unnecessary. The very idea of gun control should be so toxic that no politician, of whatever party or political philosophy, would dare even think it.

70 posted on 04/10/2013 1:12:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Nevermore

>>I’m as distrustful of government as anyone, but I am not clear on what makes these background checks dangerous.

The background check is not dangerous. What is dangerous is the implementation. When a gun arrives at a dealer, it is logged in with a firearms record book, which is a legal document that must be maintained. They can see when it arrived and when it left the dealer’s hands.

Now, how do they keep track of YOUR gun to make sure that left your possession only after a proper background check?

Universal background checks requires universal registration. Registration leads to confiscation.

Also, how will you do a background check? Will you be able to call the same number as the FFL dealer and pay a small fee? Or will they require you and the buyer to go to a dealer so they can “process” your sale. The dealers around here charge about $150 to process a sale where they don’t make any money.

This is another “let’s pass it to see what’s in it” bill.


71 posted on 04/10/2013 1:17:56 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Arm_Bears

I do believe the NRA has felt the “impact” of bending over and grabbing it’s ankles.

As I have previously stated before, the 1st “shot” heard across the world will be in NY.


72 posted on 04/10/2013 1:20:57 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: xzins

And we would be in MUCH worse shape now if it hadn’t been for them.


73 posted on 04/10/2013 1:28:48 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Nevermore

You just answered your own question. We don’t have to defend why background checks cause us harm. They have to defend how background checks would have prevented Newtown. All of this is in response to Newtown. What is their plan to “solve” it so it doesn’t happen again? I’m waiting. They have no plan. Its not even possible.

I want to see these liberals get down on their hands and knees and confess they are using this tragedy to implement their agenda. I want them to apologize and beg for forgiveness


74 posted on 04/10/2013 1:29:22 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Nevermore

You just answered your own question. We don’t have to defend why background checks cause us harm. They have to defend how background checks would have prevented Newtown. All of this is in response to Newtown. What is their plan to “solve” it so it doesn’t happen again? I’m waiting. They have no plan. Its not even possible.

I want to see these liberals get down on their hands and knees and confess they are using this tragedy to implement their agenda. I want them to apologize and beg for forgiveness


75 posted on 04/10/2013 1:35:22 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: xzins

I think you’re steps too late. Well before 2016 we need a candidate we can count on and coalesce around.

We can’t keep waiting for the perfect candidate or a conservative superman. Romney won in a crowded field because it was crowded.

I could tolerate a Rand presidency. I want someone who will start and lead the rollback. Between him and Congress I think we can do it.

I don’t see anyone else on the horizon that is serious about fundamental conservative issues. Get government out of our lives and a lot of stuff devolves back to the states. Instantly restoring liberty.

Federalism and restoring state power is the only way back from a national government.


76 posted on 04/10/2013 1:36:18 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: xzins

...they’re opposed to Manchin and Toomey, but continue to back Harry Reid...


77 posted on 04/10/2013 1:42:03 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: xzins
Someone help me out here; this is gibberish.

There are no "internet sales." All sales must be through an FFL. WTF?

Gun show sales already require a background check. WTF?

What is this about? It sounds like a drug-induced article from a Libtard.

78 posted on 04/10/2013 1:43:29 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: C. Edmund Wright

They try to win pols from both parties over to our side, too. Doesn’t always work out as well as it should. Mostly because there are so many pols that know nothing about the issue. Thats the ones the NRA tries to sway. And, they try to stay single issue.If it was one sided with just Republicans supporting us, this bill would already have passed, most likely, Dems have the majority right now in the Senate.


79 posted on 04/10/2013 1:44:20 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Quickgun

I’m not sure you understand the NRA’s strategy, or how The Senate works, in reading your post....


80 posted on 04/10/2013 1:48:56 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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