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Marco Rubio catches Potomac Fever [Amnesty]
BIZ PAC Review (West Palm Beach, Florida) ^ | April 15, 2013 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 04/15/2013 12:23:37 PM PDT by Moseley

It’s called Potomac Fever. Senator Marco Rubio – seduced by the establishment – is leading the charge for amnesty for illegal immigrants. Rubio took the April 14 Sunday news shows by storm. But the senator degenerated into pure political spin.

First, Rubio claims that this plan is not amnesty, because trespassers have to “qualify.” How do they qualify? They fill out a form. And they have to continually steal a job from a U.S. citizen. They have to remain employed, while tens of millions of American citizens are out of work. They must pay taxes. But they can’t be turned down. (If they have a criminal record? See “waiver” below.)

Second, Rubio insists that illegal aliens have to “earn” the temporary (probationary) legal status. How do they ‘earn’ it? If they file the form, they’ve earned it. But wait! They also have to renew their status by filing again later.

Third, if a bank robber is caught, does he get to keep the money? Suppose a robber gets to keep all the money he obtained illegally, gets forgiven, and does not go to jail. Is that amnesty? Will illegal aliens have to pay back all the money they earned illegally in the U.S.A.? Nope. What do you call that?

Fourth, Rubio claims that illegal aliens don’t get anything under the Gang of Eight’s proposal but the chance to apply for a green card. Yet, from Rubio’s own explanation, 11 to 20 million illegal aliens will instantly gain the legal right to take a job in the U.S.A. from a U.S. citizen. They will have legal status to live and work in the U.S.A., after showing contempt for our nation’s laws.

Millions of honorable foreigners, who respect our country, will be left waiting in their home countries. Suckers! They applied legally to join our nation. Meanwhile, disrespectful gate crashers who show contempt for the U.S.A. can stay, live and work here. Rubio insists that these illegal aliens get nothing but the chance to apply for a green card. That’s not even competent political spin.

‘Temporary’ status will never be taken away. And of course these foreigners can keep having babies on U.S. soil. Those children, U.S. citizens, can then petition to make their parents, uncles, aunts, cousins, and grandparents U.S. citizens.

Fifth, immigration law provides for waivers. The applicant can always petition the CIS (formerly INS) to grant a waiver. So the rules aren’t serious. And will Congress have the political will to enforce any of these rules?

Finally, the whole problem here involves people who broke the rules. Naïve utopians dream up complex rules. But gate-crashers won’t follow those rules, either. What kind of citizens will such people become if they broke our laws to get here?

Watch Rubio spin the amnesty question on “Fox News Sunday” via Mediaite http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-chris-wallace-hammers-rubio-on-immigration-plan-why-isnt-that-amnesty/


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 113th; aliens; amnesty; borderslanguage; culture; gangofeight; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegalinvasion; marcorubio; rubio; theamnestyspin
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1 posted on 04/15/2013 12:23:37 PM PDT by Moseley
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To: Moseley
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-chris-wallace-hammers-rubio-on-immigration-plan-why-isnt-that-amnesty/
2 posted on 04/15/2013 12:24:19 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: Moseley

Amnesty is a career killer, a party killer and a country killer.


3 posted on 04/15/2013 12:25:59 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: South40

“Amnesty is a career killer, a party killer and a country killer.”
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Quite Right. And now Rubio is “dead to me” as far as ANY consideration for ANY higher office.


4 posted on 04/15/2013 12:31:48 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Moseley

I do understand that we have to reform our immigration policies. Though, this so called bill or let’s say a good bill would be strong on following the current enforcement laws and a committed desire in securing the border now. Rubio thought he could be a statesman on this issue though he should have keep-it simple with these first 2 proposals before any further commitments that he supported.


5 posted on 04/15/2013 12:35:11 PM PDT by Christie at the beach ( If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.)
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To: House Atreides

It was always going to be a problem with Rubio. You could smell it a mile away. I remember when he was being pimped here; I was thinking I didn’t trust him with illegal amnesty.

And here we are.


6 posted on 04/15/2013 12:36:40 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: House Atreides
And now Rubio is “dead to me” as far as ANY consideration for ANY higher office.

I couldn't agree more. These liberal Republicans mistakenly believe that making voting citizens of the ILLEGAL hordes will accomplish something other than to increase the number of democRAT voters. That couldn't be further from the truth. Make voting citizens of the ILLEGALS and the Republican Party never wins a national election again.

7 posted on 04/15/2013 12:36:41 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: South40

I don’t know why we tease “low information voters”, when Rubio was transparent years ago.


8 posted on 04/15/2013 12:37:52 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Moseley

Rubio was stupid enough to get Graham/McCainitis.

I would’t vote for Rubio now. The very fact that he puts ILLEGALS before taxpaying Americans is enough for me to tell him to take a hike.

Mark, this is AMERICA, not Cuba or Mexico.


9 posted on 04/15/2013 12:38:26 PM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: South40; All

” Make voting citizens of the ILLEGALS and the Republican Party never wins a national election again. “

FACT


10 posted on 04/15/2013 12:39:19 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Moseley

So, trying to weave through the very amateurish article - on this very critical subject - I couldn’t tell whether Rubio supports any path to citizenship and voting rights. Those are malignant features...does he support those?


11 posted on 04/15/2013 12:44:46 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

The man never impressed me as being anything other than an opportunist. He pretended to be conservative just to get elected now we know his true agenda. I think he’s primed to switch parties in perhaps the near future.


12 posted on 04/15/2013 12:45:16 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: F15Eagle

I remember how people were cheering for him and praising his every word after he was elected.

I was telling people to wait at least a year before heaping praise on him.

How many times have we seen this template?


13 posted on 04/15/2013 12:48:26 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: unixfox

Just another attempt by Tokyo Rove to try and slip one past us again.


14 posted on 04/15/2013 12:52:39 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: South40

You are smarter than most.


15 posted on 04/15/2013 12:54:41 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: F15Eagle

I think Tokyo Rove was a Crist guy - and now a Jeb guy....I mean point taken, but I dont’ think this is a Karl deal.


16 posted on 04/15/2013 12:58:22 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: South40
Amnesty is a career killer, a party killer and a country killer.

Rubio's the Second Coming of Crist. This won't kill his career - he'll switch parties. Still, two out of three ain't bad.

17 posted on 04/15/2013 12:59:32 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: unixfox
I remember how people were cheering for him and praising his every word after he was elected. I was telling people to wait at least a year before heaping praise on him. How many times have we seen this template?

Since Reagan, conservatives having been pining for someone with the Right Stuff. We're finding out belatedly that Rubio isn't the Great Right Hope.

18 posted on 04/15/2013 1:01:12 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I was thinking maybe years ago this had the smell of GOPe ... the Rubio push I meant.

Maybe I should have said GOPe? Dunno ....


19 posted on 04/15/2013 1:02:07 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Smarter? Naaa. More honest maybe.

Many see what we do but just aren't honest enough to admit it. Just days ago I responded in a thread wherein Rubio supporters were denying he is for amnesty. Of course, he is not honest enough himself to admit it is amnesty but if it gives legal status to ILLEGAL aliens it is by definition amnesty.

20 posted on 04/15/2013 1:05:31 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: South40

His “conservatism” didn’t last long, me thinks you have a point.


21 posted on 04/15/2013 1:05:37 PM PDT by izzatzo (NO MORE BUSHES!)
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To: F15Eagle

What frustrates me about this article, and some of the conversation, is that there is more heat than light. This issue, for a number of reasons, might end the country. It’s too important to just fire ridiculous talking points out.

A path to citizenship with voting rights and welfare rights is one thing - and cannot be tolerated under any circumstance - but the opinion that mass deport is not happening is another, and may have to be ultimately tolerated. Only those serious enough about stopping a path to citizenship and a continuing welfare state among illegals will acknowledge these differences. Anything else is bluster.

I don’t know how far Rubio goes on citizenship and government bennnies. But to me, those are huge huge huge things to know.


22 posted on 04/15/2013 1:07:44 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: South40

Yep. Rubio showed his cards vis a vis amnesty several years ago.


23 posted on 04/15/2013 1:08:52 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: F15Eagle
"It was always going to be a problem with Rubio. You could smell it a mile away. I remember when he was being pimped here; I was thinking I didn’t trust him with illegal amnesty. And here we are."

Indeed. And it was the same with just about all of our recent presidential candidates like Santorum, Newt, etc. I could never, ever trust them after hearing their responses to the I.I. questions. As you said, "You could smell it." Ironically, it was Mitt Romney who had the most Constitutional position on I.I.

The latest disappointment on the issue is Rand Paul. That one was unexpected for me, but I supposed it shouldn't have been.

24 posted on 04/15/2013 1:09:05 PM PDT by NH Liberty ("For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus..." [1 Timothy 2:5])
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To: izzatzo

:-)


25 posted on 04/15/2013 1:12:32 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

26 posted on 04/15/2013 1:17:27 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: South40

YEP.


27 posted on 04/15/2013 1:21:43 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: F15Eagle

” It was always going to be a problem with Rubio. You could smell it a mile away.”

To those of us who really paid attention, yes.


28 posted on 04/15/2013 1:23:32 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Survey: Majority of Americans want illegal aliens to return home

Staggering Cost Of Illegal Aliens In America
Taxpayers Taken To The Cleaners

29 posted on 04/15/2013 1:25:49 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You can’t cover the entire spectrum of an issue in a single bite — as important as all the points are. Sometimes it is important to nail down just one point at a time.


30 posted on 04/15/2013 1:29:06 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: South40

Too bad most Americans don’t know what illegals cost us, or there would be no amnesty spoken of .


31 posted on 04/15/2013 1:29:48 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Most Americans listen to the leftist media who tell them that ILLEGAL aliens are an important link in our economy. We’ve all heard how w/o them a head of lettuce would cost $10. I would rather pay those costs then the costs of supporting the ILLEGAL hordes.


32 posted on 04/15/2013 1:32:03 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: Moseley

In this case, pointing out how Marco Rubio is not speaking as a great conservative we should believe but as someone who has fallen into Washington double-speak, and whose opinions on amnesty do not deserve to be believed.


33 posted on 04/15/2013 1:32:42 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: Moseley

He’s committing political suicide so fine by me. Now we won’t have to fight off his 2016 presidential bid.


34 posted on 04/15/2013 1:38:27 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Moseley

“seduced by the establishment”

Hardly. Marco’s always been pro-amnesty, so nobody had to seduce him. Some conservatives just turned a blind eye to it, because they are in love with the idea of having a conservative spokesman with a darker complexion.


35 posted on 04/15/2013 1:41:05 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Moseley
You can’t cover the entire spectrum of an issue in a single bite — as important as all the points are.

Actually, I don't agree with that assessment. The paramount issue is securing the border and in reality - yes, reality - nothing else matters a hill of beans until that is done. Voting rights, welfare, actual citizenship cannot be allowed to happen, but if we don't secure the border, it won't matter a single bit what we think about the other issues, because we'll insure the election of the party THAT WILL NEVER CLOSE THE BORDER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES - MEANING WE LOSE GAME SET, MATCH by definition.

36 posted on 04/15/2013 1:41:15 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: South40

” We’ve all heard how w/o them a head of lettuce would cost $10”

The actual added cost for non-illegals to pick lettuce is about 10 cents.

The cost to our economy for illegals is probably close to 500 billion per year, if you factor everything in.


37 posted on 04/15/2013 1:42:01 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Well think about this: we must secure the border. We should cut off all govt bennies. We should deport felons as arrested. If we did those three things, this problem would self correct in a matter of years, and would immediately improve our economy dramatically. And we can NEVER allow voting rights or actual citizenship.

HOWEVER: As for the other issue, there’s these two bothersome items known as “supply and demand” and “time.” For 60 years, supply and demand have brought 10,15, 20 million people, whatever, into our system. If they were to magically disappear for whatever reason, there would be huge ramifications that would penalize legal born and bred Americans. It’s not just the price of lettuce. It might be the availability of lettuce actually, but that’s not important per se. What’s important to remember is that nothing happens in an economy in a vacuum.

Just something to think about.


38 posted on 04/15/2013 1:50:39 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
About 3% of ILLEGAL aliens in this country pick produce. Of the remaining 97% who work, most have taken jobs that used to belong to American citizens.

George W. Bush used to repeat that tired old like that they are doing jobs Americans won't do. I've been a contractor in SoCal for over 30 years and I see fewer and fewer Americans working construction. The trades have been taken over by Mexican "contractors" who hire only ILLEGALs. It's an unfair advantage they have over contractors like me who still pay a fair wage to Americans but it's one that I can do little about.

39 posted on 04/15/2013 1:51:35 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

” Well think about this: we must secure the border. We should cut off all govt bennies. We should deport felons as arrested. If we did those three things, this problem would self correct in a matter of years, and would immediately improve our economy dramatically.”

All true.


40 posted on 04/15/2013 1:54:54 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I think that solution is the one to pursue, because it would not harm legal citizens in the process. I think people are being very naive if they think that more expensive salads are all we’d face if there was a mass deport. You can’t unravel a 60 year phenomenon driven by supply and demand overnight and not severly harm the system. You just can’t.

I mean, I wish you could, but its not possible. As such, there would be tremendous negative consequences to people who are 100% legal and as white as Wonder Bread.


41 posted on 04/15/2013 1:59:15 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: South40; All

” . I’ve been a contractor in SoCal for over 30 years and I see fewer and fewer Americans working construction. The trades have been taken over by Mexican “contractors” who hire only ILLEGALs. It’s an unfair advantage they have over contractors like me who still pay a fair wage to Americans but it’s one that I can do little about. “

Man, you are in a business that has REALLY been victimized by illegals. The past 10 years, or more, builders hire at least 90% illegals, and hire a bi-lingual foreman. They slap these new homes together with mostly unskilled labor. 10’s of thousands of these homes are crumbling, but the builder just files BK when the lawsuits begin to accumulate. Then the builder/prick just forms a new company, and starts the whole sordid process all over again, leaving American construction workers to go pound sand.


42 posted on 04/15/2013 2:06:31 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

We do a lot of custom and/or high end work, work that ILLEGALs lack the experience and skill to do. On many project my competitors don’t often even bid because they know they lack the work force to get it done. Concrete and block walls are a thing of the past for us because that’s all the unskilled/underpaid ILLEGAL hordes can do.


43 posted on 04/15/2013 2:10:52 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: South40

“George W. Bush used to repeat that tired old lie that they are doing jobs Americans won’t do.”

Yes, yes he did.


44 posted on 04/15/2013 2:11:18 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: South40

” We do a lot of custom and/or high end work, work that ILLEGALs lack the experience and skill to do”

Glad to hear this.


45 posted on 04/15/2013 2:13:43 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Moseley

Mario Rubio is just another phony ‘conservative’ and like most here, I’m fed up with these political con men. There are no conservative Republican politicians with a prayer of obtaining the 2014 GOP presidential candidacy. The Karl Roves will see to that. I’m done with all of them.


46 posted on 04/15/2013 2:18:32 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Moseley

Senore’ Rubio is one of my two crapp ass U.S. Senators from the state of Florida.
I supported Rubio for election. I will not be fooled by his sorry ass again.


47 posted on 04/15/2013 2:21:45 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Christie at the beach
I do understand that we have to reform our immigration policies.
Illegal entry is NOT an immigration policy.

The only "reform" needed is either stricter enforcement of existing laws or stricter policies...period

48 posted on 04/15/2013 3:36:38 PM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: Moseley
Rubio's (choice of) chief of staff is an open borders dimwit...

Nuf said?

49 posted on 04/15/2013 3:38:52 PM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: lewislynn

Rubio’s COS is a Soros plant.


50 posted on 04/15/2013 3:41:36 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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