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Texas Soldier Arrested for ‘Rudely Displaying’ Weapon
National Review Online ^ | 4/16/2013 | Charles C. W. Cooke

Posted on 04/16/2013 7:16:35 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe

I just got off the phone with Army Master Sergeant. C. J. Grisham, a serving American soldier and veteran of the the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, who recently was illegally disarmed by the Temple Police Department while out for a walk with his son.

“We live out in the country in Texas, near Temple,” he told me. “My son and I were on a ten-mile hike so that he could earn his hiking merit badge – it’s the last badge he needs to become an Eagle Scout.” But half way into the hike, Grisham said, “a police officer pulled up.” Initially, he was “cordial” and he “asked what we were doing.” Grisham told him. “Then he looked at my rifle. I carry a rifle any time I walk around because there are feral hogs and cougars and things like that.”

From here, things took a turn for the worse.

“‘Where you going with that rifle?’ he asked me. I said, ‘does it matter? Am I breaking any laws?’” Then, he says, the officer “grabbed the rifle without telling me – but it was attached to me. My immediate reaction as a combat veteran was to grab it back and then take a step back. I asked him what he was doing. So he pulled his gun on me. Then I thought about my son, so I put my hands off my gun and he told me to move over to the car. Luckily my son had the video camera to document the hike for his merit badge. I told him to turn it on.”

(video at link and story continues)

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; boyscouts; grisham; guncontrol; policestate; rkba; secondamendment
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1 posted on 04/16/2013 7:16:35 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe
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To: NewJerseyJoe

They talk about him like he’s some kind of freaky, leftwing exhibitionist.


2 posted on 04/16/2013 7:23:41 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

It is pretty bad when Police officers don’t know the law. His department should be ashamed of him.


3 posted on 04/16/2013 7:25:48 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Scary.


4 posted on 04/16/2013 7:31:29 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
More info and address to donate to him.
5 posted on 04/16/2013 7:32:18 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.cafepress.com/westernwis)
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To: NewJerseyJoe; All
"I ask about his son. “I’ve tried to tell my son that this isn’t normal; that police officers don’t walk around doing this. He’s developed an unrealistic fear of police officers. We were bowling yesterday and he freaked out when a police officer walked in. He’s traumatized by the incident — seeing a gun pulled on his dad."

Hey, maybe this kid won't flinch when they shoot his dog? I hope the father knows well enough to NOT seek "professional" councilling for his son.

6 posted on 04/16/2013 7:34:56 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Monorprise

The police don’t have a case here.


7 posted on 04/16/2013 7:36:49 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Monorprise

Does anyone know why cops do this?

Because they can-—and get away with it.

I am willing to bet not a cop on that scene has ever served in the military.

By the way don’t they have any physical requirements out there, That cop weighed in a 270 at least.,


8 posted on 04/16/2013 7:37:04 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Didn’t this cop go through any training? Back in the day I spent 27 weeks in training for my job as a police officer, much of it learning the law ... what I could and couldn’t do with regard to the constitution and the general laws of the land.

Sounds like this officer was hired off the street, given a badge and gun and told ... go get the bad guys.


9 posted on 04/16/2013 7:39:49 PM PDT by doc1019 (There is absolutely no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Stupid cops like these are going to want the good guys on their side when TSHTF.

These idiot cops had better learn to beg in Spanish/Drug cartel speak.


10 posted on 04/16/2013 7:40:15 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

“To protect our pensions and to serve our union.”


11 posted on 04/16/2013 7:43:10 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Red Steel

> The police don’t have a case here.

No they dont but as former LEO I know why they pulled the guy over to question him which they are completely in their rights to do so f they observe an activity that could be construed as questionable or suspicious. His appearance and the appearance of the type weapon he was carrying. I will guarantee you that the officers wouldn’t have been so “cordial” if the soldier’s son and the camera weren’t present (witnesses). The soldier’s behavior was a little confrontational which they probably aren’t used to out in the neck of those woods.


12 posted on 04/16/2013 7:44:48 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: FlingWingFlyer; All

I would be leary of him based on what Michael Yon has to say:

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/stalking-soldier-arrested-disarmed-by-texas-police-some-facts-opinion-and-analysis.htm


13 posted on 04/16/2013 7:48:46 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: jsanders2001

“the appearance of the type weapon he was carrying”?

It’s because it’s black, right? Scary black gun. Zoiks!


14 posted on 04/16/2013 7:50:00 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Rodamala
He’s developed an unrealistic fear of police officers.

Or maybe he has a sensitivity to injustice.

15 posted on 04/16/2013 7:52:49 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Red Steel

Not sure about Texas, but in a lot of places you can’t carry a rifle ‘in the field’ without a hunting license. Did Grisham have a valid one?


16 posted on 04/16/2013 7:53:02 PM PDT by Glenmore
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To: marktwain

Log-in and password required. Why is that? Trying to make business?


17 posted on 04/16/2013 7:53:04 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: jsanders2001

I already figured and know that and more to what was really going on here.


18 posted on 04/16/2013 7:53:50 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: marktwain

I would be leary of him based on what he himself has to say.

This is an ongoing story. Its been FReeped 5-6 times in the last 10 days. New and contradictory info keeps evolving. Often from Grisham himself.

This guy is an activist that crossed a line with a local LEO, and now he’s in trouble.

Folks, you want a 2nd Amendment hero and a reason to hate all cops?

Then look elsewhere. Grisham ain’t no poster boy for gun rights.


19 posted on 04/16/2013 7:55:13 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Monorprise
It is pretty bad when Police officers don’t know the law.

Nah. Pretty commonplace. It's not like a cop has to be smart or anything. Apparantly in Texas the dumber the better.

20 posted on 04/16/2013 8:01:02 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: 43north; All

“Log-in and password required. Why is that? Trying to make business?”

I did not need one when I went there yesterday. I am running a linux operating system. Otherwise, I do not know.


21 posted on 04/16/2013 8:01:20 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: jsanders2001

The soldier’s behavior was a little confrontational which they probably aren’t used to out in the neck of those woods.

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A little confrontational? THATS an understatement. Grisham goes on a Boy Scout hike with an AR-15 strapped to his chest with a video camera to capture the action.

He staged this. Then when he tied to grab a weapon back from the officer on the scene?

What a jerk. He’s lucky he didn’t get shot on the spot.


22 posted on 04/16/2013 8:06:56 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Glenmore
Not sure about Texas, but in a lot of places you can’t carry a rifle ‘in the field’ without a hunting license. Did Grisham have a valid one?

Very doubtful in Texas or in most if not all places in the West (maybe in Kommiefornia) or the South. Check the Eastern Dem states though.

23 posted on 04/16/2013 8:12:14 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: OneWingedShark

Exactly, and he’s made a connection.


24 posted on 04/16/2013 8:29:36 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Responsibility2nd
Seems to be a growing industry in the last few years.

They always have plenty of cameras, not that that's a bad thing, nor that the cops are good.

It kind of reminds me of bear baiting. The only problem is when they run into a REAL bad cop, no one ever hears from them again.

25 posted on 04/16/2013 8:30:53 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: jsanders2001

No they dont but as former LEO I know why they pulled the guy over to question him which they are completely in their rights to do so f they observe an activity that could be construed as questionable or suspicious. His appearance and the appearance of the type weapon he was carrying. I will guarantee you that the officers wouldn’t have been so “cordial” if the soldier’s son and the camera weren’t present (witnesses). The soldier’s behavior was a little confrontational which they probably aren’t used to out in the neck of those woods.
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I agree with you that the soldier was rather confrontational. The cops did say someone called in and said someone was walking around with an assault rifle.

I know people freak out about that now, but the cops were duty bound to check out the complaint. We obviously didn’t see the very beginning of the confrontation, but this soldier wasn’t exactly very polite either.

I think sometimes things ratchet up based on the behavior of both sides and the soldier was doing the pushing here. Yes, the cops said some ridiculous things but so did he.


26 posted on 04/16/2013 8:38:18 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Red Steel

I already figured and know that and more to what was really going on here.
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Please share.


27 posted on 04/16/2013 8:39:24 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: leapfrog0202

Nah.


28 posted on 04/16/2013 8:39:53 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Maybe the cops don’t but he does. After WWI people bought Mauser -type bolt-action rifles, like the Springfield. After WW II many bought semi-autos, like the Garand. This combat vet had an AR-type?
Send that deputy dawg hog to an NRA seminar and a disciplinary notation in his record.
If that’s acceptable to the vet-citizen.


29 posted on 04/16/2013 8:41:27 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Venturer

wonder if he’ll get the gun back. wonder if it will still work.


30 posted on 04/16/2013 8:52:22 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: amom

Note to self:
Story about this soldier from 2009 at this link.

http://www.armytimes.com/article/20091208/OFFDUTY02/912080301/The-rise-and-fall-of-a-military-blogger


31 posted on 04/16/2013 8:54:57 PM PDT by amom
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To: jsanders2001; Responsibility2nd; leapfrog0202
1.If I was worried about feral hogs and cougars I would not carry an AR type weapon. There are plenty of semi-automatic shotguns and high caliber rifles out there that do not scare the low information voters and would be more effective against hogs (those hogs can get real big)..

2.When I am confronted by an LEO the first word out of my mouth, just like in boot camp, is Sir. I'm very respectful, I call them Sir or Ma'am and I go with the flow. I've never had trouble when I've acted this way. The only trouble I've had was in my younger days when I was drunk and stupid and probably deserved the treatment I got from the LEOs.

32 posted on 04/16/2013 8:57:00 PM PDT by BBell (And Now for Something Completely Different)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Poor as sh*t muzzle discipline by the cop disarming him. Guy needs remedial training. Actually, he needs to be fired, he’s a liability to the dept.


33 posted on 04/16/2013 8:57:02 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: OneWingedShark

My second grade teacher told my mother at a parent-teacher conference (a loooooong time ago) that I have an “overdeveloped sense of fair play”... like that is a bad thing.

Needless to say, the scene that day played out very much like the scene in the movie Uncle Buck where John Candy tells the Principal where to stick it.


34 posted on 04/16/2013 9:08:36 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: LouAvul

“Nah. Pretty commonplace. It’s not like a cop has to be smart or anything. Apparently in Texas the dumber the better.”

I ain’t going to sit here and tell you ever officer on the force is a genius but i don’t think they are stupid. What bothers me is many of them are ignorant about the very laws their suppose to be enforcing.

Don’t get me wrong the legal code is horrifically complex but if your not sure its illegal DON’T ENFORCE IT!

The man should be scolded and given a copy of Texas law to review. His peers should be making him the butt of a few jokes for weeks. Although I would not go so far as to fire him on this occasion. If he does it a few more times then yes they need to let him go.


35 posted on 04/16/2013 9:14:25 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: jsanders2001

“The soldier’s behavior was a little confrontational which they probably aren’t used to out in the neck of those woods.”

WRONG. The cop was confrontational and the soldier was defensive.


36 posted on 04/16/2013 9:14:42 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: marktwain

I tried your link and received a Malware Warning.


37 posted on 04/16/2013 9:16:54 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: rabidralph

RE: post #5, I can’t find a paypal button or even a mention of this issue on that link.

Any ideas


38 posted on 04/16/2013 9:17:26 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The cop is just following orders, the admin. want to destroy the military and replace them with diplomats and big city types from both coasts, no patriots need apply.
the powers that be wants a military just like they have in Europe, no fighting men or woman fit in the new America soon to be just like Europe


39 posted on 04/16/2013 9:17:37 PM PDT by munin
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To: amom

Noted to read later....


40 posted on 04/16/2013 9:21:11 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

This is the same fellow Michael Yon is having his weird hate with. Does anyone at there know what the dispute is really about? Yon has posted a long rambling diatribe twice that obfuscates more than explains the basis for his grudge match with this man, who to me appears more sinned against than sinner.


41 posted on 04/16/2013 9:28:41 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: Monorprise

“The man should be scolded and given a copy of Texas law to review. His peers should be making him the butt of a few jokes for weeks. Although I would not go so far as to fire him on this occasion.”

Why does an abusive trough feeder in a uniform deserve to keep a job he clearly can’t cope with?

Were an employee of a private company behave in a manner likely to result in a lawsuit, said employee would have his position terminated before the coffee break after management learned of the situation.

The position of reasoned & prudent management is something to the effect of: “If you want to be an overbearing ass, do it on your own time.”


42 posted on 04/16/2013 9:30:20 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: munin

Does it even say who the officer worked for? It left me believing it was the city or state. If that is the case this officer was just unjustifiably ignorant of the law.


43 posted on 04/16/2013 9:31:00 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: GladesGuru

“Why does an abusive trough feeder in a uniform deserve to keep a job he clearly can’t cope with?”

He could be a rookie.

“Were an employee of a private company behave in a manner likely to result in a lawsuit, said employee would have his position terminated before the coffee break after management learned of the situation.”

Your probably right about that. This officer could have easily ended up killing someone for no good reason. If he had then I think there would be no question about dismissing him from the force, probably even bring him up on charges of his own.

Maybe something in between is appropriated, being ignorant of the law when your a law enforcement officer is not a good thing, it is unacceptable when your enforcing non-existent laws.


44 posted on 04/16/2013 9:38:36 PM PDT by Monorprise
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Too much anti 2nd Amendment bitching on this thread.


45 posted on 04/16/2013 9:44:29 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Gene Eric

Too much anti 2nd Amendment bitching on this thread.
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Not the way I see it. I see a lot of people here saying they respect the guy’s right to carry a weapon but no one is repecting the way the guy (soldier) is acting like an ass.

I am a huge 2nd amendment supporter, but if someone screws up while supporting it, they need to be called out same as anyone else. We can still say the guy sucks and support his right to carry a gun.


46 posted on 04/16/2013 10:00:59 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: marktwain

I would be leary of M yon


47 posted on 04/16/2013 10:05:00 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: leapfrog0202

I have no problem with the vet whatsoever.

Too many statists on FR.


48 posted on 04/16/2013 10:12:25 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: robowombat

Yon has a lot of problems - from what I’ve heard over the years from people in the know - he has little, if an
y respect from Military members...

If Yon is against you - you must be doing something right


49 posted on 04/16/2013 10:13:39 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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