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Furor over gay teacherís firing may pit city of Columbus against Roman Catholic diocese
LifeSite News ^ | 04/24/2013 | KIRSTEN ANDERSEN

Posted on 04/24/2013 7:34:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

COLUMBUS, OH, April 22, 2013 (LifeSiteNews) – The firing of a teacher at Bishop Watterson Catholic High School after it was learned she was involved in a long-term homosexual relationship may pit the Catholic diocese against a Columbus city ordinance barring employers from discriminating based on sexuality.

Gym instructor Carla Hale, 57, was fired last week after an anonymous parent wrote the Diocese of Columbus to complain because in an obituary for Hale’s mother, Hale was listed as a survivor alongside her longtime lesbian partner, Julie.

Hale signed a morality clause as part of her contract, affirming that “Catholic school personnel are expected to be examples of moral behavior and professionalism,” and acknowledging her employment could be terminated for “immorality” or “serious unethical conduct.” Because the Roman Catholic Church holds homosexual behavior to be gravely immoral, the Diocese of Columbus found her to be in violation of her contract, and fired her.

Now, Hale wants her job back. She has filed a grievance with the teachers’ union, and her lawyer, Thomas Tootle, told the Columbus Dispatch that if Hale’s union grievance does not succeed, her next step will be to sue under the city’s anti-discrimination law.

That means the diocesan officials who fired Hale may soon face legal action from the city of Columbus, fines, and possibly even jail time.

Columbus city law deems it a misdemeanor for an employer to discriminate against an employee based on sexual preference. It is also illegal for employers to have policies that discriminate based on sexual preference. There is no exemption for religious organizations or other employers who object to homosexuality on religious grounds. A guilty verdict carries penalties of up to 180 days in jail and a $1,000 fine.

The Diocese of Columbus refused to comment on the case, citing the confidentiality of personnel matters.

Hale’s is the latest in a series of firings of Catholic school teachers who have publicly opposed Church teaching on homosexuality. Another Ohio Catholic high school teacher, Mike Moroski of Cincinnati, was let go in February after posting on his blog that he supports same-sex “marriage.” Rather than fight the diocese, Morski launched a political career. Al Fischer, an openly homosexual music teacher in St. Louis, was fired from a Catholic school and church last year after announcing he was traveling to New York to “marry” his same-sex partner.

Although none of those cases resulted in legal action, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled in January that religious employees of religious organizations cannot sue for employment discrimination. The Court defined “religious employees” as “employees of religious organizations who have religious teaching authority.” Catholic school teachers seem likely to fall under this category, especially those who sign morality clauses promising to uphold the faith.

As of this writing, more than 40,000 people have signed an online petition demanding the Diocese of Columbus reinstate Hale’s employment and issue a public apology.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: catholicschool; columbus; gay; homosexualagenda; homosexuality
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According to Business Insider

There Are Still 29 US States Where You Can Be Fired For Being Gay



1 posted on 04/24/2013 7:34:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This is an example of how YOU HAVE TO LEGISLATE MORALITY.

The State will have to determine which morality it will stand up for — Traditional Christian morality or Modern Secular morality.

The state cannot stay neutral on this issue.


2 posted on 04/24/2013 7:38:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Wait — the girl’s gym teacher is a lesbian? Shocking!


3 posted on 04/24/2013 7:39:00 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: SeekAndFind

You can be fired for being gay in any state if you work for a religious institution, particularly if you sign a morals clause. She did both.

The SCOTUS has already ruled on this 9-0.


4 posted on 04/24/2013 7:39:20 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is it true that all female physical education teachers are gay? My school district has several, and they are militant. They also get to teach health.


5 posted on 04/24/2013 7:40:26 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: Jim from C-Town

OK, here’s a question — What if the state recognizes gay marriage?

Can the state COERCE the Catholic institution to re-instate a fired “married” lesbian teacher for what the state recognizes as LEGAL?


6 posted on 04/24/2013 7:42:06 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Sue the city back into the stone age.


7 posted on 04/24/2013 7:42:07 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: SeekAndFind
let the city hire it then...
8 posted on 04/24/2013 7:42:53 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
i was going to post it's picture, but... after seeing it, i decided against it
9 posted on 04/24/2013 7:44:29 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SeekAndFind

This could be an interesting case if the teachers lawyer asks the diocese to prove ongoing homosexual activity. As I understand it, the church opposes homosexual acts, not homosexuality per se. Sadly many fifty-seven year old heterosexual couples exist in marriages without sex. It’s possible this couple does too.


10 posted on 04/24/2013 7:45:30 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: muir_redwoods

I think self-identified homosexual partnership suffices to violate the morality clause.

Nice try but no cigar. (The lesbos can probably put it to good use.)


11 posted on 04/24/2013 7:49:18 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: SeekAndFind

Ohio doesn’t recognize such “marriages” and neither do 40 other states.


12 posted on 04/24/2013 7:50:22 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: Still Thinking
Remember the wrestler back the 60's named "Wild Bull Curry"? In my high school, that was the girls gym teacher's last name. Can you guess what they called her?

LOL - It fit her perfect!

13 posted on 04/24/2013 7:52:16 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s a female?

I want proof! Oh wait, never mind...


14 posted on 04/24/2013 7:54:40 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (The amount of ammo you need is determined after the gunfight.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Carla Hale (per Bing):

If you've seen one queer lesbian gym teacher, you've seen them all.

15 posted on 04/24/2013 8:08:50 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: upchuck

Shoot! I thought that was SEAN PENN.


16 posted on 04/24/2013 8:12:03 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: SeekAndFind
more than 40,000 people have signed an online petition demanding the Diocese of Columbus reinstate Hale’s employment and issue a public apology.

K.M.R.I.A.

For you non-readers of James Joyce (can't really say I blame you), that stands for "Kiss My Royal Irish A***."

17 posted on 04/24/2013 8:13:29 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: SamuraiScot
"Kiss My Royal . . ."

On second thought, now that I've seen the photo, please don't.

18 posted on 04/24/2013 8:15:37 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: SeekAndFind
Hale signed a morality clause as part of her contract

The last time the Church allowed homosexuals to hang around without being fired they ended up getting sued for it.

19 posted on 04/24/2013 8:24:38 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin is smiling from hell)
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To: upchuck
My eyes!!! She is butt ass ugly!!!

Lemme guess, she would be the dyke in her "relationship"?

20 posted on 04/24/2013 8:25:20 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: SeekAndFind
I didn't know teachers in parochial schools were unionized.

Perhaps she should seek a position at an Islamic school.

21 posted on 04/24/2013 8:30:35 PM PDT by informavoracious (The ancient Greeks and Romans thought they were on the "right side of history.")
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To: SeekAndFind

It is pagan/Satanic morality. It is a return to the occult-—and rituals of those that worship Lucifer (and mock God’s Design). There is nothing “secular’ about it. It is as ancient as any civilization-—and they weren’t “godless”. Saudis are sodomites as Shoebat just said on Michael Savage show....they go after boys. That is why homosexuals don’t blast muslims-—they have boys in common.

And Just Laws are all “moral” since “Justice” is a Virtue, so Just Law has to promote Virtue (morality).

St. Thomas A. said that if Laws don’t promote “Justice”-—they cease to be “Law”. Much of John Locke’s/Blackstone’s/Marshall’s understanding of Justice and Law comes from St. Thomas Aquinas which is embedded in our Constitution.

That is why our “Justice” system is corrupted and perverted which is destroying culture as Cicero stated “unjust” laws would do.....We have arbitrary—unjust laws, which according to John Marshall would be “Null and Void” in a sane universe. Laws have to contain Right Reason-—and homosexuality is not only unnatural-—it is irrational—proven scientifically.

We have a lawless culture-—where anything becomes “Good” as long as there is an “urge” to do it.


22 posted on 04/24/2013 8:39:49 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: SeekAndFind

You would hope this is a big joke but the leftist degenerates are not kidding, you will have NO rights when they are finished


23 posted on 04/24/2013 8:40:20 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Jim from C-Town

In Texas it is best to give no reason for a firing


24 posted on 04/24/2013 8:41:06 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t have to legislate anything. Church as right to its beliefs


25 posted on 04/24/2013 8:42:11 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: SeekAndFind
A guilty verdict carries penalties of up to 180 days in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Will they arrest the Pope?

26 posted on 04/24/2013 8:44:58 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: ConservativeInPA

I think so. I’m a PA. resident and my gym teacher was a lesbian. Her last name was Lafemme, believe it or not.


27 posted on 04/24/2013 8:50:55 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: SeekAndFind

First...Where is our petition? Like minded people off the moral persuasion will bury the gay one.
Second....If we’re forced to live with rulings by this piece of crap court, even the homos have to play along. They will never stop until we all agree that buggery is normal and in no way immoral. Don’t see that happening, no matter how hard they force it on us.


28 posted on 04/24/2013 8:53:27 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: Houghton M.

Exactly. This is why they sign this contract ahead of time. :)


29 posted on 04/24/2013 8:56:48 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Seriously, I grew up with them in my school too.


30 posted on 04/24/2013 8:57:11 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I personally believe the state needs to stay out of employer contracts provided they do not cause physical harm or enslave an individual. The state has already gotten far too involved for the sake of good intentions. I’m sorry but I have little pity for someone who chooses to be employed by an organization they know they are incompatible with. It would be like me getting a job with PETA, Greenpeace, or some far left group and then getting upset when they get rid of me when they find out that I’m a right winger opposed to them.

The left routinely eject students out of college programs for being Christian/conservatives something that is not a private religious organization but a public state funded institution and they seem perfectly ok with that.


31 posted on 04/24/2013 9:02:30 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: SeekAndFind

So this is the part of the country where people are still reasonably free.


32 posted on 04/24/2013 9:07:31 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: SeekAndFind

“Modern Secular morality”

Im afraid there is no morality there at all.


33 posted on 04/24/2013 9:12:47 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: SeekAndFind

Let the Catholic Church threaten to close all its schools in the Cleveland Diocese that are affected by this silly law. Let the city/counties have to pay to educate those thousands of extra kids. They are already receiving tax funds from their parents for not using the public schools’ services. See what is left of the middle class tax base dry up as those families move to an area where they don’t have to send hteir kids to public school. See the gays not make up the difference.


34 posted on 04/24/2013 9:29:20 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Houghton M.

It’s nice to know what you think about a clause neither of us has seen


35 posted on 04/25/2013 2:01:36 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: SeekAndFind

All legislation is an expression of morality codified in statute.


36 posted on 04/25/2013 2:51:38 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: muir_redwoods

Nice to know what you think about what I think.

Isn’t life nice?


37 posted on 04/25/2013 3:18:01 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: EDINVA

“Let the Catholic Church threaten to close all its schools in the Cleveland Diocese that are affected by this silly law. Let the city/counties have to pay to educate those thousands of extra kids. They are already receiving tax funds from their parents for not using the public schools’ services. See what is left of the middle class tax base dry up as those families move to an area where they don’t have to send hteir kids to public school. See the gays not make up the difference.”

Believe me, the state will be more than happy to oblige. They did it here in NJ, basically eliminating Catholic schools in many areas through prohibitive taxes for the public school systems. The teachers’ unions want them gone, and Caesar does their bidding. Taxpayers are fleeing the state, but the Catholic school system is finished. The state has done the same to Catholic hospitals in NJ, requiring them to treat everyone (including illegals) while constantly reducing the reimbursement paid for such services until the hospitals close.

Nothing pleases the state more than shutting down a competitor that shows how wasteful, inefficient, and unproductive the state is.


38 posted on 04/25/2013 3:28:56 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Houghton M.

“...when ‘tis folly to be wise”


39 posted on 04/25/2013 3:29:01 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: darkangel82

RE: Ohio doesn’t recognize such “marriages” and neither do 40 other states.

Let’s say Ohio finally DOES recognize such “marriages” (God forbid)... would this Catholic school then be FORCED BY LAW to accept this teacher and her lifestyle?

Isn’t this unconstitutional?

We have to ask this question now because I see marriage being slowly redefined as one by one the moral dominoes begin to fall...


40 posted on 04/25/2013 6:24:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: informavoracious

RE: Perhaps she should seek a position at an Islamic school.

Catholics merely tolerate homosexuality.... do you know what Sharia law does to homosexuals?


41 posted on 04/25/2013 6:25:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Slyfox

RE: Hale signed a morality clause as part of her contract

Herein lies the problem -— She will insist that SHE IS MORAL.

It now becomes her morality vs the Catholic church’s.... as I said before, if this goes to court, the State HAS TO LEGISLATE MORALITY.

It will either be a choice of Christian morality or lesbian morality but choose the state must.


42 posted on 04/25/2013 6:27:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Only if they have gay sex with adults.....having sex with boys is perfectly okiley dokiley to Muzzies.


43 posted on 04/25/2013 6:28:44 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: wonkowasright

RE: All legislation is an expression of morality codified in statute.

Precisely. And I agree.

The only weak spot there is this — WHAT EXPRESSION OF MORALITY will it be?

Will it be influenced by Christian morality or something else ( e.g. Gay morality ).


44 posted on 04/25/2013 6:30:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course it’s unconstitutional. But when has this government ever cared about that?


45 posted on 04/25/2013 8:00:31 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: kearnyirish2

but folk keep voting into office those who would take those alternative health and education options from them, so it’s really true: we get the government we deserve. Bummer.


46 posted on 04/25/2013 8:14:27 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

Let the Catholic Church threaten to close all its schools in the Cleveland Diocese that are affected by this silly law

It is the Columbus Diocese, but it is a good point.


47 posted on 04/25/2013 10:24:25 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Columbus city law deems it a misdemeanor for an employer to discriminate against an employee based on sexual preference.

It was based on actions not "preference."

48 posted on 04/25/2013 10:34:43 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (I'll stick to facts and logic, and not follow into the gutter those who make disagreements personal.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Morality Clauses, particularly at religious institutions, are generally boiler plate. If you have scene one, you have scene them all.

The SCOTUS has already ruled on this issue. They did so 9-0. Any religious institution has the right to decide WHO is minister in that religion. A teacher, OF ANY SUBJECT, is a minister in a religious organization. Local law CAN NOT, trump the first, or any, amendment to the Constitution. The Liberals hold onto this for abortion, privacy and Miranda, even though none of these are actually in the Constitution. Not only is Religious Freedom in the Constitution, it is the #1 Amendment.


49 posted on 04/25/2013 10:50:38 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Please provide a link to one you’ve “scene”(sic) so I can verify what you claim.


50 posted on 04/25/2013 10:53:18 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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