Reid bill would require background checks to purchase explosive powders

The Hill ^ | April 24, 2013

[opentalk]

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Tuesday introduced a bill that would require background checks to be run on anyone buying explosive powder, a reaction to last week's Boston Marathon bombing.

Reid introduced the bill, S. 792, for Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), who has been out sick for much of the year. But in a press statement, Lautenberg said the Boston bombing shows that background checks are needed for explosive materials.

"It defies common sense that anyone, even a terrorist, can walk into a store in America and buy explosive powders without a background check or any questions asked," Lautenberg said Tuesday. "Requiring a background check for an explosives permit is a small price to pay to ensure the safety of our communities.

[TexasRepublic]

I saw this coming a long time ago. BTW, smokeless gunpowder is classified as a propellant, not an explosive. For that reason, it is much easier to have shipped than black gun powder which is a low-class explosive. Smokeless powder isn’t all that easy to ignite, even with a lit match. In an open pile, smokeless powder burns slowly.

[Moose4]

You nailed it. This is their sneaky way to shut down the ammo reloading industry as they put more and more of a squeeze on packaged ammo with higher taxes and more restrictions.

}:-)4

[therightliveswithus]

And what about people on FBI watch lists, Harry?

[Vaduz]

Filler up why sure sir your papers please.

[NY.SS-Bar9]

bZZZZt

Wrong answer

Modern cartridges contain a propellant that burns.

Traditional muzzleloaders may use black powder, which is an explosive.

The only other things that may be classified as explosives are primers and percussion caps.

[familyop]

"Reid introduced the bill, S. 792, for Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.)...Under current law, people can buy up to 50 pounds of explosive "black powder" with no background check, and can buy unlimited amounts of other explosive powders, such as "black powder substitute" and "smokeless powder."

Lautenberg's bill would require a background check for the purchase of any of these powders."

Gunpowder is not the explosive of choice for demolition. Other materials are (e.g., emulsions). Lautenberg's bill is a particularly dangerous attack against our Second Amendment.

If we let that pass, the ruling fascist constituents would eventually give full discretion to many bureaucrats on who would or would not be allowed to so much as possess reloading supplies. It would also be another big step toward effective registration of all firearms owners. And you all know good and well that Republicans have repeatedly refused to repeal the worst laws (e.g., feminist laws against working class and now middle class fatherhood and families).

There it is: more class war gun control to disarm everyone who doesn't rake in a big, fat income from recirculating government debt to pay bribes and pay the fixed-up market--another big step toward disarming the whole populace. And remember that most of the default process is just in front of us (many more unaware that they are about to lose their incomes in the big fight over the pool of debt).

Ammunition prices would quickly double or triple from what they are now. Ammunition on the market would be nearly nonexistent. Those who manufacture ammunition would work very little while gathering enormous windfalls.

All who couldn't afford self-defense would get even by outlawing the last few who could afford to pay $10,000 for a household/farm firearm and ammunition.

Don't believe me? Go ahead. Let it pass. Find out who the truly resourceful are in this population, and meet the technocratic thug-ocracy of tomorrow. There won't be any descendant of any of today's leaders running it.

[unixfox]

Does he really expect every roadside fireworks stand to run background checks?

Would it surprise you?

They could require the operator of the fireworks stand to "register" with the feds and the state. For a "fee" of course.

See how that works? It's ALL about money and control. These people are tyrants pure and simple.

They should all be hung.

[Abathar]

Does that require us to register corn and wheat flour also? I mean have you ever seen a grain silo explosion???

[Tilted Irish Kilt]

MrB ~:” Probably, certain combinations of kitchen cleaners could produce a improvised WMD or explosive.
These guys are like Pharisees - believing that Law can make society righteous.”

The purpose of this legislation is control of the law-abiding population , not the criminals .
The illegals and criminals don’t think about the laws , that’s how they got to be criminals in the first place.
We’ll soon need permission and background checks for gasoline , pressure cookers , tea kettles, ammonia , draino , garden fertilizer , etc.

[familyop]

"Hey, I heard that a cheap case of 100 shotgun shells at Wal-mart has a lot of explosive powder in it..."

Far less than 100 of them would have more than enough powder to do something terrible, and it's a particularly fast-burning gunpowder. It will fire sloppy pellets or junk with terrible aerodynamics well beyond the speed of sound. The bill mentioned in the posted article would be the bulk of legislation and biggest step for requiring every one of the classiest hunters to be, in essence, registered and monitored.

So, Elmer Fudd, somewhere out there, are you paying attention?

The bill would also be yet another end to hunting and other firearms sports. Tourist areas would cease to be tourist areas, and revenues would further cease to local governments those areas. It would make the recent closings of government lands to public access look unimportant.

Rural areas are already being abandoned. County and small town regulatory offices would be closed. Old refrigerators would reappear in front yards. Public schools would close. Local social services offices would close. For lack of funds for professionals, "Andy and Barney" would again take their places in rural law enforcement.

[Red Steel]

The main ingredient in modern gun powders Nitrocellulose

[thegrump]

The target is not Terrorists. The target is American Citizens and GUNS!

[MHGinTN]

In Ozland the pResident of the White Hut can run the world without a background check, but if you want powder for your musket you must have a background check. ... They don’t even try to hide behind a curtain anymore!

[Mechanicos]

Make no mistake, this is aimed at banning ammunition. Just more back-door gun-control.

[familyop]

"The main ingredient in modern gun powders Nitrocellulose "

Correct, and thanks. It can be used for violence, but other things are used in HEs (high explosives). I had the duty for a few years of training to blow things up. In contrast with my intentional sometimes hyperbolic political speech, they kept us 5 more weeks for an especially interesting (ouch) initial training than infantry and made darned sure that our heads were screwed on right. McVeigh did not go through our kind of initial training or background investigation. ;-)

On my position regarding these matters, for safety, a population needs to be relatively good. If a population is relatively bad, it will do more bad things despite any number of regulations against liberty.

[familyop]

Some people talk about insurrection/”revolt” and the like. I continue to disagree with that kind of talk. But so many Internet/political distractions and regulations against productivity and commerce will likely bring our economy much further down than they already have.

Spending in all levels of government are being forced down by the rhetoric and legislative attempts against freedoms, and decreasing the value of currency (quantitative easing, “money printing,” etc.) will have the same effect: decreasing what people with government incomes can buy, leading to more layoffs, bond holder haircuts, pension cuts, etc. We’re going to get awfully poor on the way to new, frugal leadership with no more funding for political correctness (social pathologies).

Watch firearms and activities associated with them go out of style. Maybe by next year or the year after, but that’s going to happen.

[CharlesWayneCT]

“It defies common sense that anyone, even a terrorist, can walk into a store in America and buy {insert product here} without a background check or any questions asked,” Lautenberg said Tuesday. “Requiring a background check for an {insert product here} permit is a small price to pay to ensure the safety of our communities.

I can’t believe terrorists can buy donuts. Donuts are really good, and terrorists don’t deserve donuts.

[TigersEye]

On my position regarding these matters, for safety, a population needs to be relatively good. If a population is relatively bad, it will do more bad things despite any number of regulations against liberty.

Truer words have ne'er been spoken. The implements of mayhem are all around us.

[Red Steel]

Yes, it will eventually come to a head.

[MaxMax]

No laws would have prevented the bombing, accept maybe IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT!