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How Does An Ice Age Start? With One Snowflake
News Optimist ^ | 4-17-2013 | Brian Zinchuk

Posted on 04/28/2013 8:00:37 AM PDT by blam

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To: darth

Can you just start planting corn or soybeans on lands that had been under a salty ocean for the last 10,000 years?


21 posted on 04/28/2013 11:04:24 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: blam

“Also, the Persian Gulf was completely dry during the Ice Age.”

XLNT!!!! Less chance of getting swarmed by Iranian small boats loaded with VBIEDs....or attacked with their ASCMs.

Plus it is too hot up there in the Spring thru Fall.


22 posted on 04/28/2013 11:07:56 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet (Uranus)
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To: Mike Darancette; spokeshave
"We could reclaim a lot of fertile submerged delta land. "

Most scientists believe the worlds oceans dropped by 400 ft during the last Ice Age. I once had a map that showed the effect worldwide with a 400 ft (I believe it was 500 ft) drop in the oceans. Big Difference in the land mass.

Then you have Sundarland where I believe most of the worldwide human population lived and thrived during the Ice Age. The Bible will record the refugees from Sunderland as the wise men from the east, IMO.


23 posted on 04/28/2013 11:15:57 AM PDT by blam
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To: Sawdring; darth
"Can you just start planting corn or soybeans on lands that had been under a salty ocean for the last 10,000 years?"

I expect you'll find an answer here:

ZuiderZee


24 posted on 04/28/2013 11:22:29 AM PDT by blam
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To: Mike Darancette; spokeshave
Imagine the crops we can grow if the Gulf of Mexico drops 200 feet or so.

We could reclaim a lot of fertile submerged delta land.

IIRC, a drop of 200 ft. in sea level will roughly double the size of Florida. It should be very good land for crops. The problem is that it will take many years of rain to wash the salt out of it.

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25 posted on 04/28/2013 11:45:14 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: LonePalm
"The problem is that it will take many years of rain to wash the salt out of it. "

Apparently not as long as we think...I just read this from the ZuiderZee article from Holland:

"The stations, completed in February 1930, managed to drain the polder after six months of continuous pumping. "Drained" in this context does not mean the land was wholly dry; extensive pools of shallow water still littered the muddy landscape. To make the soil usable it had to be further drained by a network of drainage canals. Small ditches were dug leading to larger watercourses, which in turn transported their water to the main drainage canals. These canals, dredged when the polder was still filled with water, conducted surplus water to the pumping stations. The resulting dehydration caused the former seabed to sink by over a metre in some places. Once the ground had settled, the smaller ditches were replaced with underground drainage tubes, which would be used for the normal drainage of the polder."

"With the hydrological infrastructure in place, the virgin land was developed to prepare for its later cultivation. The first plant to establish itself, though more so in the later polders than in the Wieringermeer, was reed, sown from the air by plane onto the muddy flats while the polder was still being drained. This sturdy plant helped evaporate the water and bring air into the soil, thereby solidifying its structure and further preventing the emergence of unwanted weeds."

"After the first infrastructure was put in place, the reed was burnt and replaced by rapeseed, turning the newborn polder into a yellow sea of flowers in spring. These crops were succeeded by various grains. In the Wieringermeer the first was rye, but the later polders plant wheat, then barley, and finally oats. This process took years, but once finished allowed planting other crops. At the same time, other infrastructure such as roads and housing were built."

26 posted on 04/28/2013 12:02:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: Vince Ferrer; Black Agnes
2012/2013 North American Snow And Ice Charts


27 posted on 04/28/2013 12:07:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Interesting link. I prefer global warming to ice age since I live in Minnesota.


28 posted on 04/28/2013 12:09:01 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Mike Darancette

Not very fertile after spending thousands of years under salt water.


29 posted on 04/28/2013 12:38:37 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: blam

It doesn’t matter whether we are in for global warming or another ice age. Either way it is Bush’s fault and the only solution is more taxes.


30 posted on 04/28/2013 12:41:22 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: darth
From Texas to Florida, the states will be HUGE. Imagine the crops we can grow if the Gulf of Mexico drops 200 feet or so.

Go on Google Earth and see how much of the continental shelf around Florida is less than 200 feet in depth. Florida's area would expand about 50%

31 posted on 04/28/2013 1:17:50 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

See post #26. Doesn’t matter how many years it’s been under salt water. What matters is how much rain it gets, and how good the drainage is. Salt dissolves ready in water, and the rain will wash it away.


32 posted on 04/28/2013 1:23:20 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Twotone

Thanks for the ping, Twotone!


33 posted on 04/28/2013 2:46:04 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Around here In the Permian Basin we have salt scalds, I have two on my place. They’re caused when a well blows out and floods the surface with salt water. The oldest one is 70 years old and still nothing will seed out in it.


34 posted on 04/28/2013 2:49:27 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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Sea levels reduced by 394 feet.(above)

Notice there's no Persian Gulf at all and the Red Sea is land locked and probably dried up too.

Sea travel west of Indonesia was blocked until the sea levels rose enough to open up the Straits Of Malacca about 7,000 years ago.

Sea levels today.


35 posted on 04/28/2013 3:19:00 PM PDT by blam
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36 posted on 04/28/2013 4:12:54 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: BobL
"That period will end...and it may start during our lives, or it may not - but it will end, and the world will be a vastly different place from what it is now.

Not necessarily. If it becomes incontrovertible that an Ice Age has begun, I think that geological engineering will be applied. Specifically, it is very easy to increase the greenhouse effect. Probable candidate...sulfur hexafluoride dispersed in the stratosphere from high-flying jets. VERY stable molecule, 24,000 times more "greenhouse intensive" than CO2.

37 posted on 04/28/2013 6:35:09 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: RHS Jr
I think the massive chem-spraying is why we are colder...

Uh-oh.... Now you done did it.

Hope you enjoy your 'welcome' to Free Republic.

38 posted on 04/28/2013 8:26:02 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Dusty Road
Around here In the Permian Basin we have salt scalds, I have two on my place. They’re caused when a well blows out and floods the surface with salt water. The oldest one is 70 years old and still nothing will seed out in it.

That puts you around west Texas or eastern New Mexico. How much rainfall (compared to Florida) and how good is the drainage?

39 posted on 04/29/2013 3:52:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Yep right in the middle of the Permian Basin. Rain is hit or miss, in the last two years I’ve caught less than 15 inches about 5 years ago I caught over 40 inches. On the average I’ll get 14 to 16 inches per year. I’d rather have an oil spill than a saltwater spill, oil does far less damage.


40 posted on 04/29/2013 4:39:00 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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