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Why is Texas Governor Rick Perry in Illinois? (Another "I'm coming for your jobs" tour)
TIME ^ | 04/28/2013 | By Josh Sanburn

Posted on 04/28/2013 7:09:30 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: txhurl

Perry in the primary has nothing to do with this thread.


51 posted on 04/28/2013 10:16:47 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: 5thGenTexan

So you don’t deny TX major population centers like Austin, Dallas and Houston are becoming *increasingly* liberal and more controlling with many becoming more govenrment dependent in these population centers.

It seems you’re making my point.


52 posted on 04/28/2013 10:16:49 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

We’ve been the second most populated state for a long, long, time and are no where near the second most liberal. Yet you keep asserting that a population increase from these new businesses will tip the scales.

I again suggest there are other factors you are not considering.


53 posted on 04/28/2013 10:17:44 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: 5thGenTexan
We’ve been the second most populated state for a long, long, time and are no where near the second most liberal.

Yet you do not deny TX major population centers like Austin, Dallas and Houston are becoming *increasingly* liberal and more controlling with many becoming more govenrment dependent in these population centers?

How's that work?

54 posted on 04/28/2013 10:21:21 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I don’t recall California ever being conservative like Texas, in fact, almost a half century ago Californians considered Austin the only oasis of sanity within Texas.

California has been republican, but it was always a loosey/goosey, rino, social liberal republicanism.

You are a perfect example of the attitude of many Californians towards Texas conservatism, they despised and mocked Texas, even in the 1960s.


55 posted on 04/28/2013 10:23:20 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: dragnet2

Nope, I don’t, because I reap early point out the broken corrolation between population and liberalism. You totally miss that we are already almost the same population as California yet nowhere near as liberal.

Something else that I know empirically that is happening in Texas that will not show up in snapshot demographics: liberals who move here can and do become more conservative over time. Not all, but some. And liberals who move here and raise their kids here have ended up with kids who were more conservative the they are.


56 posted on 04/28/2013 10:24:41 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: ansel12

Perry in the primary has nothing to do with this thread.


Yes, it does.

Perry runs for Prez = Californians pinging each other in their sleep to defecate on Perry threads.

Perry poaches business: see above, but not as intensely.


57 posted on 04/28/2013 10:25:14 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: 5thGenTexan

BTW, CA was very conservative for many many years....See 3 strikes your out, Reagan, mega industry, etc, etc. But look what happened over the past 30 years or so....Well...

This reads like a book...


58 posted on 04/28/2013 10:25:17 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 5thGenTexan
reap early = repeatedly (browser spell check weirdness)
59 posted on 04/28/2013 10:26:59 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: 5thGenTexan
No your not anywhere near CA population. TX is about 25 million and CA has 37+ million. You're not even close.

But if I could give 5 or 10 million, I would.

60 posted on 04/28/2013 10:28:12 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 5thGenTexan
liberals who move here can and do become more conservative over time

Hogwash...

61 posted on 04/28/2013 10:31:07 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: basil
There’s only one natural lake in Texas, which is Caddo Lake in SE Texas.

Not to nitpick, but Caddo Lake is in NE Texas.

62 posted on 04/28/2013 10:34:37 PM PDT by Texas Mulerider (Rap music: hieroglyphics with a beat.)
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To: dragnet2

I don’t recall California ever being conservative like Texas, in fact, almost a half century ago Californians considered Austin the only oasis of sanity within Texas.

California has been republican, but it was always a loosey/goosey, rino, social liberal republicanism.

You are a perfect example of the attitude of many Californians towards Texas conservatism, they despised and mocked Texas, even in the 1960s.


63 posted on 04/28/2013 10:36:13 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: 5thGenTexan

Look, you believe what ya want.

If ya think bringing in say 5 million more low wage jobs, many of will be taken by illegal aliens and the non-skilled, and this will somehow magically make TX more conservative...Well what can I say?

Take care and good luck!


64 posted on 04/28/2013 10:37:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Yep, CA was a bastion of conservatism in the 60’s...Berkeley, LA, San Fran and all that.

I don’t think Reagan could have won Gov without the Hollywood connection. It was not his conservatism, it was his star power. Another words, it was the cult of personality back then. It just happened to play in our favor that time.

Again, Why is Texas (the whole state) second in population but no where near second in liberalism? And if its all about population, why is Collin county, one of the most populated counties (had multiple cities top the fastest growing list for US several years in a row) rated the most conservative voting county in the entire state?


65 posted on 04/28/2013 10:42:24 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: dragnet2

I have actual empirical evidence through people I know personally.


66 posted on 04/28/2013 10:43:54 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: dragnet2

Word twisting. I never claimed it would make Texas more conservative. I simply claimed that it is not all about populations and low wage earners.

And some of the businesses moving to Texas are bringing skilled high wage earner jobs. And lastly, since when is CA home to only low wage earner jobs? Doesn’t it have the most millionaires (for now at least)?


67 posted on 04/28/2013 10:49:17 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: 5thGenTexan
No, Reagan was not elected on star power..That's BS.

By the time he ran for president, he had been long gone from the star/hollywood scene. He got elected because he was a natural, a great speaker, a conservative, and was a really a genuine American and passionate person who didn't come from extreme wealth, like some others who came to power.

Once again, if ya think 5 or 10 or 20 million more people will somehow make Texas more conservative and not less, and not cause government to grow, creating more taxes, regulation etc etc.....What can I say?

Sure in hell didn't work in CA...The higher the population became, the more it became leftist with incrementally more and bigger state government, more taxes etc, etc etc...

Good luck...

68 posted on 04/28/2013 10:54:28 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 5thGenTexan; dragnet2

While exposure to conservatives and conservatism in normal life and at the workplace helps change people, most Californians fleeing to Texas don’t need a lot of changing.

“”While it’s tempting to assume that Californians relocating to Texas are moving to the state’s big metropolises and bringing their liberal, “California” attitudes (I’m sure many of you think that I’m being redundant), data collected in the University of Texas/Texas Tribune polls tell a different story.

With its economic troubles, California has been losing people in droves. The plurality of those migrants have moved to Texas, as many as 70,000 in 2011 and 60,000 in 2012. Given this influx of new residents, we are fortunate to have at times asked our respondents whether they have moved to Texas from California, and though the actual number of these people is but a small subsample of our surveys, we have enough respondents to make two broad conclusions. First, these newcomers, on average, tend to be conservative. Pooling data from the May 2012 and February 2013 UT/Tribune surveys, we found that 57 percent of these California transplants consider themselves to be conservative, while only 27 percent consider themselves to be liberal (a fair guess as to the margin of error is somewhere around +/- 7 percentage points). Second, these new Texans aren’t rushing to find homes in the state’s urban centers: 55 percent are heading to the suburbs, the rest evenly dividing themselves between rural and urban locations.

So while some may want to perceive the wave of Californians coming to Texas as part of the broader demographic trends that might eventually turn Texas purple, and then blue, the data collected to date suggest that Perry’s pitch appears to be hitting a chord with Californians who wear cowboy boots instead of Birkenstocks.””


69 posted on 04/28/2013 10:55:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: 5thGenTexan
And lastly, since when is CA home to only low wage earner jobs?

Ya think the millions of illegal here all work in Silicon Valley? They work in sweat shops, manufacturing, factories...Hired by the corrupt and greedy just like ya got in Texas.

These are the same companies Perry is begging to come to Texas...He came to CA begging about a year ago and went straight to the companies who hire nothing but illegals in **Vernon** for instance...It's a town in the shadows of LA high rises, where thousands of illegals make 1980s wages.

This is what is coming your way tex....

70 posted on 04/28/2013 11:02:21 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; 5thGenTexan

Texas has the exact same percentage of Hispanics that California does.


71 posted on 04/28/2013 11:11:52 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: ansel12

The number of illegal immigrants living in the United States was virtually unchanged in 2010 from a year earlier, but statistics suggest their population in Texas continued to grow, according to new estimates from the Pew Hispanic Center.

Whoops....


72 posted on 04/28/2013 11:13:29 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Whoops what? California and Texas have the exact same percentage of Hispanics, exactly the same.

Yet one is what you pretend to like, conservative, and the other is what you really like, liberal.


73 posted on 04/28/2013 11:17:42 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: ansel12

Texas Dems pin their hopes on growing Hispanic population

http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/11/10/4402584/texas-dems-pin-their-hopes-on.html

It should be quite entertaining watching you and perry pander and offer prizes and freebies for GOP votes in the future...


74 posted on 04/28/2013 11:22:13 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Yeah, you are a DU guy alright.

Of course the left wants Texas, look at your posts on this thread, it is a white hot hatred for the bastion of conservatism, it is like your great white whale that you can’t stop whining about.

Wishing and getting are two different things though.


75 posted on 04/28/2013 11:25:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: dragnet2

Everything you’ve stated I can attest to from firsthand experience. Texas is not a good place for professionals.


76 posted on 04/28/2013 11:32:27 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: ansel12
Hispanics guide huge growth in Texas

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2011-02-17-texas-census_N.htm

It should be really fun watching you and the GOP down there try to buy votes and make promises for votes... Of course the tax payers will be paying for all the prizes and vote bribes...

All the politicians will be rushing to make appearances and promises....Like this guy did...

77 posted on 04/28/2013 11:35:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Lexinom; ansel12

lol....While the hysteric fool is running around on this thread calling me a liberal for making honest comments.

Funny stuff.


78 posted on 04/28/2013 11:38:15 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

No, all you have posted is your anger and hopes, to you an article about the left naturally targeting the conservative bastion, is more than just a routine article of normal politics, you post it like a DUer, as though you cling to it for hope.

Every one of your many, many, many posts on this thread are a primal scream of hatred for the conservative state, the one that we conservatives depend on to help us attain our goals, the one that holds out hope, and serves as a conservative example.

Texas disturbs you terribly, and California suits you perfectly, you are a common type for California republicans.


79 posted on 04/28/2013 11:52:04 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: SeekAndFind

Since begging for welfare for Texas last week, Perry went to Illinois and California to see how much more freebie money he can get for Texas since Illinois and California receive so much more and wants to learn their tactics.


80 posted on 04/29/2013 2:52:43 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: dragnet2

As a yankee by birth and a Texan by choice. Take Texas numbers out of the national numbers and GDP would be negative and that includes the 1.6 trillion in Obama deficit spending.
Drag, you haven’t a clue what you speak of. Texas elected the farthest right tea party Senator state wide and we love him so too do most freepers.
I live in North Montgomery and the growth here is phenominal. I have repeatedly told family back home you may read about recession but here it is no where to be found.


81 posted on 04/29/2013 4:19:11 AM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: Jonty30

He seems to be doing a good job with disaffected gun manufacturers, like Bold Ideas has said it will and Magpul is reportedly considering.


82 posted on 04/29/2013 5:03:36 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Texas Mulerider

Good grief! That’s a typo-—thanks for pointing it out...........duh!


83 posted on 04/29/2013 5:25:14 AM PDT by basil (basil --Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: dragnet2
“...increasingly liberal and more controlling with many becoming more govenrment dependent in these population centers?...”

a load of doo.

Population shift does not account (alone) for liberalization.
The libs target urban area for control. That will happen without an influx of business and workers.

a load of “working” people and business won't hurt the state. It can make it more powerful than US GDP and allow Texas to succeed or dominate the rest.
Besides If Texas leads the way maybe a alliance of like minded states can form a union, or bulwark against encroaching socialist take over.

opportunity, my friend.

Getting rid of riffraff is the citizens job.

84 posted on 04/29/2013 5:30:46 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: Nervous Tick

-——Just watching him piss off liberal media and socialist state governments is entertainment——

Another description besides entertainment would be campaign evidence. Success is the key to success.


85 posted on 04/29/2013 5:38:57 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: basil
Damn it! I’m sorry—old governor Pointy Boots is filling this state with people who are probably wild eyed liberals.

Don't worry about it. The wild-eyed liberals wouldn't be caught dead moving to Texas. They would rather sit on their butts, collect public assistance, and complain about those corporate a**hats that laid them off, and post diatribes about Texas every time there is any misfortune (read the comments on any article about the explosion in West, or Hurricane Ike for examples).

The people that follow a company to Texas are the ones we want here. And, despite the unemployment rate, there are plenty of people here that would happily take the place of the ones that refused to move.

86 posted on 04/29/2013 6:51:25 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: dragnet2; 5thGenTexan
You deny TX major population centers like Austin, Dallas and Houston are becoming increasingly liberal and more controlling with many becoming more govenrment dependent in these population centers?

I don't see him denying it, but if you were actually from here you would realize that the urban centers are becoming more liberal because the conservatives are moving out: mostly to the suburbs just outside the city.

I'm in a county just outside Dallas. I don't think there is a single elected Democrat in the entire county. It was unusual to see an Obama sticker here last year, and I think that was someone commuting in from Dallas to one of several corporate headquarters -- think PepsiCo, FritoLay, DrPepper, EDS (although they were acquired by HP, there is still a big presence here), JC Penney.

As I posted earlier, I'm not worried about an influx of liberals into Texas. The worst of them wouldn't be caught dead here. They would rather go onto public assistance and spend the day posting diatribes about Texas every time there is a natural disaster or accident.

The ones that move to Texas are already conservatives, or are apolitical and are easily convinced.

87 posted on 04/29/2013 7:00:26 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: justlurking

I like your optimism, and certainly hope you are correct.

My impression comes from meeting several transplants to my town from CA. They are all wild eyed liberals.


88 posted on 04/29/2013 7:38:12 AM PDT by basil (basil --Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: basil
My impression comes from meeting several transplants to my town from CA. They are all wild eyed liberals.

I've met some, too. But, for every one, I've met 2 or 3 more that are conservative.

Frankly, I think the descent of the urban centers of Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, etc. into the pit of despair is the best object example.

I don't think it is coincidence that the most conservative parts of Texas are just outside these cities.

89 posted on 04/29/2013 8:14:02 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: kimtom
Population shift does not account (alone) for liberalization.

No one on this thread claimed that. Please read prior to commenting.

90 posted on 04/29/2013 9:30:27 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: justlurking
I don't see him denying it, but if you were actually from here you would realize that the urban centers are becoming more liberal because the conservatives are moving out: mostly to the suburbs just outside the city.

You think this is something new?

A new trend?

CA and other states went through this years ago...Some of you folks seem really behind the times.

91 posted on 04/29/2013 9:34:21 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
“......Yet you do not deny TX major population centers like Austin, Dallas and Houston are becoming *increasingly* liberal and more controlling with many becoming more govenrment dependent in these population centers?

How's that work?
.....”

Sounds like a claim to me for liberalization. (your words)

92 posted on 04/29/2013 10:48:42 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: justlurking
Texas Presidential election results, 2012.
93 posted on 04/29/2013 10:55:13 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport

I think you have the colors reversed. But it is worrisome that Harris country when Rat in 2012.


94 posted on 04/29/2013 10:59:28 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb

Harris county went Obama in 08 also by a larger margin.


95 posted on 04/29/2013 11:17:17 AM PDT by deport
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To: kimtom

See the tagline below.

You defined it el perfecto.


96 posted on 04/29/2013 4:50:23 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: kimtom

BTW, feel free to take a shot at this question below yourself.

This does not require a wordy, evasive response. It’s a straight forward question:

You deny TX major population centers like Austin, Dallas and Houston are becoming increasingly liberal and more controlling with many becoming more govenrment dependent in these population centers?


97 posted on 04/29/2013 4:53:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; justlurking

California went through conservatives moving to the suburbs and that somehow made only 37% of the total California population vote republican in 2012, while more than 57% of Texans voted republican?


98 posted on 04/29/2013 5:22:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: deport; jpsb

In Harris county in 2012, Obama won 49.4% to Romney’s 49.3%, 1% for Johnson.

In 2008, Harris County went 50% for Obama and 49% for McCain.

Houston is the 4th largest city in America.


99 posted on 04/29/2013 5:44:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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