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Sheriff refuses to sign machine gun forms
Citizen's Voice ^ | 4/29/13 | Michael P. Buffer

Posted on 04/29/2013 7:22:25 PM PDT by Born Conservative

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To: Born Conservative

Wasn’t it Reagan who signed the bill that limited us to only owning machine guns manufactured before 1986? That’s why the price of privately owned machine guns is through the roof.


21 posted on 04/29/2013 9:39:20 PM PDT by LouAvul (?)
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To: Mr. Blond

German MP40 comes in 9mm (WWII)


22 posted on 04/29/2013 9:49:56 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: samadams2000

****** “Is the good (bad) Sheriff subject to citizen arrest?” ******

If he is or isn’t ... he is an Elected Official, the Ballot Box is the Trump Card and his fellow Sheriffs may be able to shame him into re-thinking his actions. He does not live in a vacuum, (cannot operate independently) the hill that he chose to die for may be a valley.

JMHO

TT


23 posted on 04/29/2013 10:07:01 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Mr. Blond

Pretty sure the Uzi is 9mm.


24 posted on 04/29/2013 10:16:51 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: ctdonath2
Can’t sue the sheriff. He’s under no obligation whatsoever to sign.

All he needs to do is set up a trust that owns the class III. No Sheriff signature required.

Actually quite common to do it.

25 posted on 04/29/2013 10:19:05 PM PDT by suijuris
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To: suijuris

Then he doesn’t own it.
An abstract concept has more rights than he does.


26 posted on 04/29/2013 10:53:52 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesnÂ’t make bad people harmless.)
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To: sarasmom

Just about everything you said just isn’t so, and never has been so.

There’s no license to own a machine gun or any other NFA-restricted firearm, and you don’t surrender your Fourth Amendment rights. It’s a one-time tax of between $5 and $200.

Its no big deal. Worst part is the wait for the ATF tech branch to finally get to your paperwork, but I’ve had stamped forms come back in as little as 28 days.

In the context of this article, my local sheriff will sign any ATF form you push in front of his secretary.


27 posted on 04/29/2013 10:59:22 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: Mr. Blond

I think most transferable machine guns are 9mm. It’s a long list of models.


28 posted on 04/29/2013 11:01:06 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: Born Conservative
Luzerne County Councilman Jim Bobeck said he supports Robshaw's stance against signing ATF forms for NFA weapons, adding it demonstrates why voters should not elect the county's sheriff.

Putting your boot on peoples' necks is so much more convenient when you don't have to ask them to vote for you. Government is best when it's UNaccountable??? It's barely acceptable when they ARE afraid they're going to get the boot. Moron. Fool. Oxygen thief.

29 posted on 04/29/2013 11:14:54 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Little Pig; AlmaKing; The KG9 Kid

Those are sub-machine guns. Maybe I’m being too technical, but I don’t believe in giving journalists a pass.


30 posted on 04/30/2013 12:20:18 AM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: yarddog
I worked with a dealer who had I don’ remembers what was necessary o what class it was butknew+ whatever it was he one which

What?

31 posted on 04/30/2013 4:27:58 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: Mr. Blond

There are Uzi’s chambered for 9MM...


32 posted on 04/30/2013 4:35:00 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: The KG9 Kid
"...and you don’t surrender your Fourth Amendment rights."

Sure, and when the Gub'ment decides it wants to inspect your weapons that are registered and you decide to not let them will they say: "Oh yeah you got Rights under the 4th Amendment, never mind...?"

Dream on Alice, Wonderland is just around the corner!

33 posted on 04/30/2013 4:43:32 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Born Conservative

He needs to set up an NFA trust. This gets around fools like this sheriff. Anyone dabbling in Class 3 should be doing it through an NFA trust.


34 posted on 04/30/2013 6:13:49 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: Mr. Blond

I should clarify: I think most transferable ‘machine guns’ (as the ATF regards the term) in the NFRTR are 9mm.


35 posted on 04/30/2013 7:11:08 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

I have no idea what I said either.

I think I might have been saying that while at a gun show in Georgia, I helped a friend who was a dealer and had several tables.

He was over run with sales so I took an hour or so off and helped him out. While I was there he sold a fully automatic Tommy Gun. I was struck as just how quickly it went. Of course filling out the forms was just the start. I have no idea what went on from there or when the guy actually got his gun.


36 posted on 04/30/2013 8:04:17 AM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Born Conservative

Anyone even remotely serious about NFA has searched for how to properly buy one and would have easily noticed that a trust is the only way to do it as it bypasses the local fuzzballs and protects a person beyond mere possession.


37 posted on 04/30/2013 8:10:07 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: ctdonath2

Yes, technically he doesn’t own it, but he gets to use it (with the same restrictions) as if he technically “owned it”. More disturbing, is the fact that the Fed Gov thinks that you don’t wholey own any firearms that has been manufactured or transfered with a 4473. They think they own them and they are just loaning them to you. Ever notice when the leftist members in Congress start talking about making certain “assault weapons” illegal and requiring them to be turned in. In the verbiage of the proposed law and in discussions they often use the term “revert” back to the government.


38 posted on 04/30/2013 8:15:43 AM PDT by suijuris
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To: Mr. Blond

There are a bunch of 9mm weapons that fire in full automatic to include the world famous UZI.


39 posted on 04/30/2013 6:18:30 PM PDT by Baron 2A (Those that can, do; those who can't, teach; those who do neither become journalists!)
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To: The KG9 Kid
It has never been so? Really?
LOL!

In the early 1980s, it was “so” in the State of New Mexico, in Otero County.
To legally own a full auto, one had to first obtain a Dealer level FFL which at the time, cost $200.00 per year.

40 posted on 04/30/2013 7:00:28 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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