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Report: Sharp drop in gun violence, but most killings still involve firearms
Washington Post ^ | May 7, 2013 | Jerry Markon

Posted on 05/07/2013 2:40:00 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

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To: smokingfrog
"Blacks are 7x more likely to be killed by a gun.

= Guns are racist."

But, but, but...that can't be. They're called "evil BLACK rifles", after all. Oh, but that's racist in and of itself. From now on, they're to be called "evil AFRICAN-AMEICAN rifles.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

21 posted on 05/07/2013 3:11:10 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: Seizethecarp

So, gun crimes are down at the same time gun ownership and guns sales are at an all time high. If we use the same kind of prima facie cause-and-effect logic used by the gun grabbers, then I would maintain that increased gun ownership and sales have CAUSED gun crimes to decrease, and therefore we need even MORE gun ownership and gun sales. That way, gun crimes would go down even more.

Who knows, this might even be a correct inference, given that:

1. An armed society is a polite society.

2. More good guys with guns than bad guys with guns is gonna make bad guys committing crimes with guns much more dangerous (to the bad guys).


22 posted on 05/07/2013 3:11:16 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Seizethecarp

“Overall, the Justice Department report said, firearm-related homicides dropped from 18,253 homicides in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011”..

Consider these stats while keeping in mind the number of guns in the population in 1993 was far, far less - probably a good 20-30 million less, than there were in 2011, and even more now.

It destroys the argument that more guns in the hands of people result in more gun deaths. It destroys the argument that it makes people less safe to own a gun.

Gun deaths decreasing steadily for 20 years, with 20-30 million more guns bought during these times, is proof more guns do not equal more gun violence/gun death.

Further all the states during these 20 years who have passed concealed carry, there have been NO wild west stories, the CCW holders have not gone crazy and shot up everyone in sight. There is NOTHING truthful at all about the objections and supposed scare theories the left bleats everytime they can get in front of a camera.


23 posted on 05/07/2013 3:11:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Take the firearms away and watch the urban youth kill each other with knives, axes, clubs and fists. The homicide rate will remain high in the urban center until the cultural and moral decay is addressed and society begins demanding personal accountability. Which means as long as progressives are in charge urban murder rates will remain high no matter what weapons are banned.


24 posted on 05/07/2013 3:11:58 PM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: smokingfrog

You could say that those firing the gun were racist.

But since almost all gun deaths with blacks are black on black, or where the black is an aggressive attacker or burglar, the left can’t really spin that very well. They just ignore those deaths because they can’t use them to further their political agenda.


25 posted on 05/07/2013 3:14:02 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Soul of the South

They have done exactly what you said, in the UK and Australia.

And they have watch knife crimes, bladed weapon crimes, soar in these countries.


26 posted on 05/07/2013 3:14:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Guns are used defensively by citizens about 2 million times a year. about 93% of the time when the criminal sees the gun, they flee. never has to be fired.


27 posted on 05/07/2013 3:16:22 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Seizethecarp

There are lies, damn lies,and then there are statistics -

Mark Twain


28 posted on 05/07/2013 3:18:04 PM PDT by llevrok (2013: - Obama vs America. The new cold war)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

on average every state that’s enacted concealed carry has seen rapid declines in crime, and a decrease in crime across the board of about 25-30% pretty much automatically after CCW is implemented.

I know from criminal interviews in prison, the number one fear of criminals was getting shot.


29 posted on 05/07/2013 3:18:08 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Also, I don't think they distinguish between justifiable homicide and murder. They probably just lump all gun deaths together.
30 posted on 05/07/2013 3:20:18 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

...Not only fewer crimes, but some of that gun violence is citizens defending their lives and property. I put that in the plus side.


31 posted on 05/07/2013 3:21:24 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Soul of the South

Save Black Youth - Vote Out Liberals, Vote in Conservatives

Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, DC - Proof Liberals Run People’s Futures into the Ground


32 posted on 05/07/2013 3:22:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Here’s an interesting report:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2011.pdf

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm

Concealed carry holders are involved in approximately 0.09 percent. That’s 0.0009 or 9 in 10,000. Hard Data


33 posted on 05/07/2013 3:22:42 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko
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To: Seizethecarp

According to DOJ crime statistics, guns are used by US citizens 2.5 million times per year to prevent violent crimes like rape, robbery, home-invasion and carjacking, 99% of the time without a shot being fired. (Source: GunFacts.info)


34 posted on 05/07/2013 3:29:45 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: pallis

Exactly. If you trade off one dead perp for 1,2,3 or more victims of a crime being killed you get one heck of a return on investment. That says nothing about once the perp is dead, he commits no more crime against other victims.

But liberals refuse to say the death of a perp is preferable to the death of victims. To a lib they are moral equivalents. Because the perp himself is a victim of the oppressive culture he lives in.


35 posted on 05/07/2013 3:41:40 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Looking for the link but the least used guns in murders are the very ones the left is trying to ban.


36 posted on 05/07/2013 3:54:21 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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37 posted on 05/07/2013 4:02:09 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Seizethecarp

We will not be successful until all killings are done using knives and ropes and poison and stuff, anything but guns. Guns are just so inhumane! They depersonalize what should be a very personal act. It is just so cold when you can stand at a distance and kill someone. Much better to slice a throat with a knife or hit a head with a hammer.


38 posted on 05/07/2013 4:04:16 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: smokingfrog
I don't think they distinguish between justifiable homicide and murder. They probably just lump all gun deaths together.

They probably don't even differentiate between cops shooting bad guys, and the overwhelming majority of black-on-black gangbangers shooting each other.

I know the latter statistic is large enough to adversely affect the US mortality rates (average male lifespan)

39 posted on 05/07/2013 4:10:41 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: HawaiianGecko

Interesting. Of the 120 conviction of CHL holders in TX, 1/3 were crimes relating to the carrying of a gun or “deadly conduct” (brandishing) with no other crime.


40 posted on 05/07/2013 4:13:21 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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