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Vanity: Gay Activists and AA
You Tube ^ | 5/11/2013 | Tedw

Posted on 05/11/2013 4:39:17 AM PDT by tedw

This is a short talk about the history of Gay Activism in AA."

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Alcoholics Anonymous is an organization with Christian roots and like some churches has embraced the homosexual lifestye (although some modern AA's deny it). This video gives a little personal insight into how it was done. One of the links discussed in the video is "My name is Padric a Alcoholic (Gay).It is in the AA pamphlet entitiled: 'Are you different' Here is a link to the AA approved pamphlet and a short excerpt:

Are you different?

"In AA today, I know sober leather fans, transvestites, and members of every other sexual group there is. But the only important thing here is that we are all human beings, all alcoholics, and all in AA together"

1 posted on 05/11/2013 4:39:17 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw

Reading that AA embraces homosexuality is more than ‘disturbing’, rather it displays a severe character flaw.

On the other hand, perhaps the organization is recognizing that homosexuality, like alcohol, is an addiction.

Wonder if the embracement would include those inclined to pedophilia?


2 posted on 05/11/2013 4:44:18 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: tedw

AA doesn’t care what your sexual persuasion - only that you are an alcoholic and want to stop drinking.


3 posted on 05/11/2013 4:48:44 AM PDT by madmominct
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To: IbJensen
It should be disturbing.

AA,in general,is very “Gay Friendly”. In my experience, there is not talk about homosexuality being an addiction. But to be fair, I haven’t seen any indication of it being “Pedophilia” friendly.

4 posted on 05/11/2013 4:51:10 AM PDT by tedw
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To: madmominct

Thanks for that.


5 posted on 05/11/2013 4:51:38 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: madmominct

Absolutely. I have been a grateful member for 16+ years.


6 posted on 05/11/2013 4:52:17 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: madmominct
AA, as an organization, encourages the homosexual lifestyle by its many Gay meetings. It also encourages it by casting homosexualty in a favorable light thru its written literature.

Don't tell me it isn't so. I have 40 years experience and know better.

And it does so in violation of its own traditions.

7 posted on 05/11/2013 4:55:39 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw

Thats a ridiculous comment. So does it encourage a female lifestyle with its women’s meetings?


8 posted on 05/11/2013 4:57:49 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

Being a female is a normal natural condition.

Being a homosexual is not. People are not born homosexual although the gay activists would like you to believe it.


9 posted on 05/11/2013 5:00:38 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw

Were you born heterosexual?


10 posted on 05/11/2013 5:01:56 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: tedw

Some will disagree, but I feel that homosexuality and pedophilia go ‘hand in hand’.


11 posted on 05/11/2013 5:02:32 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: madmominct

AA is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.


12 posted on 05/11/2013 5:02:46 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

There is no sexual preference gene. You are not born attracted to anyone. That’s why babies don’t try to get busy with each other.


13 posted on 05/11/2013 5:05:56 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: tedw

I was in NA and it was clear, there was a forced acceptance of them, back in the 1980’s.


14 posted on 05/11/2013 5:07:51 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Telling the truth about RINOS, PAULTARDS, Liberals and Muslims has become hate speech)
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To: tedw

“we are all human beings, all alcoholics, and all in AA together”

AA has had sex segregated meetings for a long time. If they can keep it segregated/along gay straight lines, then there should not be a problems. If a few gay activists take over every meeting and try to make it all about them, then there will be a problem.


15 posted on 05/11/2013 5:09:36 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Puppage

If AA excluded gays, half the membership would drop out and no one would be helped. I’ve known so many gay men in NYC and those that survived the AIDS crisis, sobered up with AA.


16 posted on 05/11/2013 5:10:02 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: AppyPappy
You are not born attracted to anyone. That’s why babies don’t try to get busy with each other.

That's, quite possibly, the most ignorant thing I've ever read.

17 posted on 05/11/2013 5:11:03 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

Can you not see your own inane reply?

Find me the sexual attraction gene. I’ll wait patiently.


18 posted on 05/11/2013 5:13:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: RaceBannon

I am/was an NA member also. No mention is ever made of it being wrong. In fact, at every meeting at the beginning they read a short excerpt saying sexual orientation doesn’t matter. (I cant remember the exact words).

The funny thing is that many otherwise conservative Christian Churches allow them to met there, although there is more of a movement towards Celebrate Recovery these days.


19 posted on 05/11/2013 5:13:45 AM PDT by tedw
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To: beef

If gays try to take over an AA meeting more experienced members would or should stop them. They should not be discussing anything other then their drinking problem


20 posted on 05/11/2013 5:15:09 AM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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To: tedw

Interesting.

I understand that alcoholism is a disease, but it also one of many other mental and emotional disorders.

Like homosexuality.

No wonder there is some connection between AA and faggotry.


21 posted on 05/11/2013 5:16:07 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: beef

Maybe AA should not be so accomadating towards sin?


22 posted on 05/11/2013 5:16:53 AM PDT by tedw
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Drunks have a million reasons to drink.

I could see an old timer asking them if their homosexuality caused them to drink.

If they want to stop drinking, then perhaps they're in the right place.

If they don't choose to focus on stop drinking, then perhaps they're in the wrong place.

If their group wants to focus on homosexuality, then they need to find a new group.

23 posted on 05/11/2013 5:18:07 AM PDT by csvset
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To: tedw

What purpose to your post? Had a problem with AA’s methodology that didn’t sit well? AA tries to be all-inclusive to those that have problems with alcohol and follows the Biblical Principles of “What would the Master do?”. Early on, they wanted to only admit upstanding, moral individuals and discovered that only Jesus would qualify. They don’t get into “outside issues”, but many of the members keep thinking it’s all about them and miss the point.


24 posted on 05/11/2013 5:19:05 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: tedw

I would rather that people who identify as gay be sober than drunk so I have no problem with them going to AA. It works. There are multiple meetings every day in most communities. I’m a ten year member of Al-anon. It’s a spiritual group. I don’t do meetings any more after my home group started being, IMHO, unhealthy. I still follow the principals. I’ve moved my time to more active participation in my Church community.


25 posted on 05/11/2013 5:19:12 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: tedw
From the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous:

"The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking"

and

"Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues and causes, less it's name be drawn into controversy.'

Now it's time for me to head out for my Saturday meeting (and pick up my 40 year medallion.... )

26 posted on 05/11/2013 5:21:02 AM PDT by Reo (the 4th Estate is a 5th Column)
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To: tedw
And it does so in violation of its own traditions.

Give us the wisdom of your 40 years experience - which traditions and how are they being contradicted?

27 posted on 05/11/2013 5:21:55 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
What purpose to your post?:

To raise awareness.

I have no problem with Gays being allowed to attend AA. I do object to AA endorsing the gay lifestye, albeit subtly.

I know that AA’s are loathe to admit that is so. If they did, they might have to speak up about it, and be ostracized as a result.

28 posted on 05/11/2013 5:26:05 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw

Dude, you need to talk to your sponsor.


29 posted on 05/11/2013 5:26:47 AM PDT by csvset
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To: madmominct

AA’s primary purpose is to members from drinking. Currently gay meetings are held separate from the main group. Their meetings are identified as gay meetings and often times closed to others. There are Christian meetings as well.

AA doesn’t endorse other groups and so far there isn’t a gay agenda at the open meetings.

Gays have lots of problems, and they appear to be much more prone to substance abuse. AA is the best thing for keeping sober and gays benefit from the program like everybody else.

The only concern is that gays will become more vocal and turn the entire organization into a gay support group. They could destroy AA as easily as they have destroyed other institutions such as the Catholic Church, marriage and soon the Boy Scouts.


30 posted on 05/11/2013 5:27:44 AM PDT by caltaxed
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To: miss marmelstein
If AA excluded gays, half the membership would drop out and no one would be helped. I’ve known so many gay men in NYC and those that survived the AIDS crisis, sobered up with AA.

I understand the context of your post, but it would be even worse than that - if AA excluded ANYONE, as a group, AA would dissolve and nobody would be helped. Early writings indicate they wanted to exclude those with moral failings (as if the majority of drunks are paragons of morality) and decided that they better act as if Jesus was in charge and that it was far better to "hate the sin but love the sinner". As a result, AA accepts anyone who expresses a desire to stop being enslaved to alcohol and admits liars, cheats, thieves, adulterers, Whites, Blacks, homosexuals, and even Democrats....It is probably the most tolerant and non-political "organization" on the face of the Earth and will remain so as long as the Big Book remains firmly based on the Bigger Book. I'm a mere tyro with 24+ years, but have learned a lot about others and myself by being encouraged to examine myself first. It has strengthened me, my faith, my family and my marriage.

31 posted on 05/11/2013 5:31:54 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb

I never said AA should excluded Gays.

Although AA accepts liars, cheats, thieves, and adulterer, they do not have any literature that says “lying, cheating, and adultery” is ok.

They have plenty of literature that suggest Homosexuality is ok. In fact, AA, as an organization, equates being homosexual with being black or American Indian.


32 posted on 05/11/2013 5:38:26 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw
What purpose to your post?: To raise awareness. I have no problem with Gays being allowed to attend AA. I do object to AA endorsing the gay lifestye, albeit subtly. I know that AA’s are loathe to admit that is so. If they did, they might have to speak up about it, and be ostracized as a result.

If by "endorsing the gay lifestyle (I prefer the term homosexuality)", you mean that the lack of condemnation of those who practice it, you miss the whole point of AA. Your unspoken suggestion, that AA ought to ostracize those with moral issues that you can't abide by, would help destroy AA and the good it does. Do you have someone who you respect and trust enough to discuss things with or are you relying solely on your own inner thoughts - remember that The Mind is a Terrible Thing?

33 posted on 05/11/2013 5:39:56 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: tedw
They have plenty of literature that suggest Homosexuality is ok. In fact, AA, as an organization, equates being homosexual with being black or American Indian.Examples of said literature? Please only include World Services-endorsed literature.
34 posted on 05/11/2013 5:41:59 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: caltaxed

Not in my area - there are no particular meetings for gay people - everyone attends the same meetings. There are men’s meetings and women’s meetings, but no gay meetings that I am aware of.


35 posted on 05/11/2013 5:42:41 AM PDT by madmominct
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To: caltaxed

There are MANY gay AA meetings. Not many Christians ones.

I once tried to start a Christian AA meeting in the Inland Empire of Southern California, and was told “we dont want Christ mentioned at meetings”. They wouldn’t allow the meeting to be published in the directory.

If it was a Gay AA meeting, I wouldn’t have had a problem.

That is reality and truth.


36 posted on 05/11/2013 5:43:08 AM PDT by tedw
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To: caltaxed
AA’s primary purpose is to members from drinking. Currently gay meetings are held separate from the main group. Their meetings are identified as gay meetings and often times closed to others. There are Christian meetings as well. AA doesn’t endorse other groups and so far there isn’t a gay agenda at the open meetings. Gays have lots of problems, and they appear to be much more prone to substance abuse. AA is the best thing for keeping sober and gays benefit from the program like everybody else. The only concern is that gays will become more vocal and turn the entire organization into a gay support group. They could destroy AA as easily as they have destroyed other institutions such as the Catholic Church, marriage and soon the Boy Scouts.

Heck - they also have atheist meetings for those who want to try it sans-God. I have no problem because it still gives folks a chance to experience His love and to maybe reconsider...

I used to worry about the "purity" of AA being compromised to the point it was destroyed. Came to the conclusion that if God is in it, it cannot be destroyed. if God is excluded, it cannot stand. I leave it in His hands.

37 posted on 05/11/2013 5:45:23 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Puppage

That’s also been my observation for just over 6 years...

Saludos....


38 posted on 05/11/2013 5:48:07 AM PDT by Huaynero
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To: tedw

“Maybe AA should not be so accomadating towards sin?”

Alcohol is a path TOWARDS sin.

AA is a path AWAY from sin.


39 posted on 05/11/2013 5:51:22 AM PDT by moovova
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To: caltaxed

Let them start Gay AA if they feel the need to separate themselves from the main group.


40 posted on 05/11/2013 5:51:26 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: tedw

After all is said and done, it is not okay to by gay.


41 posted on 05/11/2013 5:53:18 AM PDT by AdaGray
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To: trebb
I guess you didn't read the link I posted. 1)The Big Book of AA see the pro-homosexual story entitled "Tightrope 2) AA Pamphlet entitled "Are you different" http://www.aa.org/lang/en/catalog.cfm?origpage=290&product=37 here
42 posted on 05/11/2013 5:54:10 AM PDT by tedw
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To: madmominct

I thought this was a story about American Airlines and fags.
As a frequent flyer,
I’ve seen way more of that than I ever wanted to see,
Some may have been gay, and that’s fine I never knew it. But the swish-lyric talking, color coordinated queens really make the trip miserable.
Oh, crap I have another trip to make next week;-(


43 posted on 05/11/2013 5:54:33 AM PDT by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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Read the AA Big Book and see how many of the female subjects “discovered” they were homosexual after they became sober.


44 posted on 05/11/2013 5:54:51 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: trebb

Post #30
“Currently gay meetings are held separate from the main group. Their meetings are identified as gay meetings and often times closed to others. There are Christian meetings as well.”

Post #31
“If AA excluded gays, half the membership would drop out and no one would be helped. I’ve known so many gay men in NYC and those that survived the AIDS crisis, sobered up with AA.
I understand the context of your post, but it would be even worse than that - if AA excluded ANYONE, as a group, AA would dissolve and nobody would be helped.”

I don’t see half the membership dropping out because homosexuals are excluding heteros from their meetings.


45 posted on 05/11/2013 5:55:35 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: tedw
There are MANY gay AA meetings. Not many Christians ones. I once tried to start a Christian AA meeting in the Inland Empire of Southern California, and was told “we dont want Christ mentioned at meetings”. They wouldn’t allow the meeting to be published in the directory.

AA is based on Biblical and Christian Principles - if individual groups decide to exclude such, I doubt the groups will do much good. I have had folks gripe about my using Jesus' name in a meeting - I told them that He is my higher power and I'll describe Him as such. I also use dthe opportunity to let them know that the Lord's Prayer that closes most AA meetings started when some men said, "Master, teach us to pray as you do" and He told them, "When you do it, do it like this - Our Father, which art in Heaven...". It caused a few extra "moments of silence". They will only chase God out if the rest allow it - folks with experience and grounding should find it incumbent on themselves to lovingly (I stress the word "lovingly") explain things in terms that helps make it clear.

Perhaps you actually tried to convert an existing AA house to go the Christian theme - if you want to start a Christian meeting, do it the old-fashioned way and start small and if it grows, make your own arrangements to provide a meeting place and a coffee pot. I prefer to inhabit meetings where all the sinners are welcome because they provide a window into my own imperfect existence and give me opportunities to spread the Word to those who need to hear it - not just to those who already believe. I find it selfish and self-centered (recognize the phrase?) to try to mold something to suit yourself at the exclusion of possibly doing good for others. Next thing you might want to have a meeting that only allows folks with 5 years or more so they can pat each other on the back.

46 posted on 05/11/2013 5:56:25 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Puppage

A note of thanks to you and your many ‘friends.’

I had a young man in my employ who was among the best, very sharp, personable,hard worker... He also had a problem.

A co worker handed me a large gold coin and said nineteen years clean and sober! He said he noticed a problem and ask if he could speak with T. They went to lunch a few times and would talk.

T moved on to another project and one day sadly fell off the earth. Did not come to work or answer the phone, he also had a wife and young son.

I have ask many of his work friends, the answer is the same, no one has heard from him and they think he is dead.

The offer to help T, a stranger, was a great act of kindness.

Thank You


47 posted on 05/11/2013 6:00:05 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: trebb
AA WAS based on Biblical and Christian but modern AA has gotten pretty far away from that. Clarence Snyder, an early AA Christian (Home Brewmeister) story was thrown out of the Fourth Edition of the Big Book “(despite having been in the first three editions) and the story of an unrepentant homosexual put in (Tightrope).

And no I didn't try “ Perhaps you actually tried to convert an existing AA house to go the Christian theme “ It was a new meeting where talk of Jesus Christ was allowed and encouraged. That meeting was not allowed to be listed in the AA directory. Here is a direct quote from the Inland Empire AA office : “We dont want meetings where Christ is mentioned”

48 posted on 05/11/2013 6:05:04 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw
I guess you didn't read the link I posted. 1)The Big Book of AA see the pro-homosexual story entitled "Tightrope 2) AA Pamphlet entitled "Are you different" http://www.aa.org/lang/en/catalog.cfm?origpage=290&product=37 here

Dude - you must be a true zealot to make such a leap as to say they are being pro-homosexual. The know the barriers that can keep people from seeking out the help they need and, in true AA form are trying to help break down the barriers. Talking to you reminds me of a story where a guy moves to a new town that contains a church with so many rules that he cannot attain membership. he is praying and lamenting about it when God speaks to him and asks what the problem is. he explains how he cannot get into the church and asks what he should do. God tells him, "Don't let your heart be troubled; they won't let Me in either".

Your apparent crusade appears to have no positive endgame - of what value is it?

49 posted on 05/11/2013 6:07:24 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: tedw

Are there smoking and non-smoking meetings?


50 posted on 05/11/2013 6:16:59 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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