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Posted on 05/11/2013 4:39:17 AM PDT by tedw
This is a short talk about the history of Gay Activism in AA."
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
"In AA today, I know sober leather fans, transvestites, and members of every other sexual group there is. But the only important thing here is that we are all human beings, all alcoholics, and all in AA together"
Reading that AA embraces homosexuality is more than ‘disturbing’, rather it displays a severe character flaw.
On the other hand, perhaps the organization is recognizing that homosexuality, like alcohol, is an addiction.
Wonder if the embracement would include those inclined to pedophilia?
AA doesn’t care what your sexual persuasion - only that you are an alcoholic and want to stop drinking.
AA,in general,is very “Gay Friendly”. In my experience, there is not talk about homosexuality being an addiction. But to be fair, I haven’t seen any indication of it being “Pedophilia” friendly.
Thanks for that.
Absolutely. I have been a grateful member for 16+ years.
Don't tell me it isn't so. I have 40 years experience and know better.
And it does so in violation of its own traditions.
Thats a ridiculous comment. So does it encourage a female lifestyle with its women’s meetings?
Being a female is a normal natural condition.
Being a homosexual is not. People are not born homosexual although the gay activists would like you to believe it.
Were you born heterosexual?
Some will disagree, but I feel that homosexuality and pedophilia go ‘hand in hand’.
AA is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.
There is no sexual preference gene. You are not born attracted to anyone. That’s why babies don’t try to get busy with each other.
I was in NA and it was clear, there was a forced acceptance of them, back in the 1980’s.
“we are all human beings, all alcoholics, and all in AA together”
AA has had sex segregated meetings for a long time. If they can keep it segregated/along gay straight lines, then there should not be a problems. If a few gay activists take over every meeting and try to make it all about them, then there will be a problem.
If AA excluded gays, half the membership would drop out and no one would be helped. I’ve known so many gay men in NYC and those that survived the AIDS crisis, sobered up with AA.
That's, quite possibly, the most ignorant thing I've ever read.
Can you not see your own inane reply?
Find me the sexual attraction gene. I’ll wait patiently.
I am/was an NA member also. No mention is ever made of it being wrong. In fact, at every meeting at the beginning they read a short excerpt saying sexual orientation doesn’t matter. (I cant remember the exact words).
The funny thing is that many otherwise conservative Christian Churches allow them to met there, although there is more of a movement towards Celebrate Recovery these days.
If gays try to take over an AA meeting more experienced members would or should stop them. They should not be discussing anything other then their drinking problem
I understand that alcoholism is a disease, but it also one of many other mental and emotional disorders.
No wonder there is some connection between AA and faggotry.
Maybe AA should not be so accomadating towards sin?
I could see an old timer asking them if their homosexuality caused them to drink.
If they want to stop drinking, then perhaps they're in the right place.
If they don't choose to focus on stop drinking, then perhaps they're in the wrong place.
If their group wants to focus on homosexuality, then they need to find a new group.
What purpose to your post? Had a problem with AA’s methodology that didn’t sit well? AA tries to be all-inclusive to those that have problems with alcohol and follows the Biblical Principles of “What would the Master do?”. Early on, they wanted to only admit upstanding, moral individuals and discovered that only Jesus would qualify. They don’t get into “outside issues”, but many of the members keep thinking it’s all about them and miss the point.
I would rather that people who identify as gay be sober than drunk so I have no problem with them going to AA. It works. There are multiple meetings every day in most communities. I’m a ten year member of Al-anon. It’s a spiritual group. I don’t do meetings any more after my home group started being, IMHO, unhealthy. I still follow the principals. I’ve moved my time to more active participation in my Church community.
"The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking"
"Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues and causes, less it's name be drawn into controversy.'
Now it's time for me to head out for my Saturday meeting (and pick up my 40 year medallion.... )
Give us the wisdom of your 40 years experience - which traditions and how are they being contradicted?
To raise awareness.
I have no problem with Gays being allowed to attend AA. I do object to AA endorsing the gay lifestye, albeit subtly.
I know that AA’s are loathe to admit that is so. If they did, they might have to speak up about it, and be ostracized as a result.
Dude, you need to talk to your sponsor.
AA’s primary purpose is to members from drinking. Currently gay meetings are held separate from the main group. Their meetings are identified as gay meetings and often times closed to others. There are Christian meetings as well.
AA doesn’t endorse other groups and so far there isn’t a gay agenda at the open meetings.
Gays have lots of problems, and they appear to be much more prone to substance abuse. AA is the best thing for keeping sober and gays benefit from the program like everybody else.
The only concern is that gays will become more vocal and turn the entire organization into a gay support group. They could destroy AA as easily as they have destroyed other institutions such as the Catholic Church, marriage and soon the Boy Scouts.
I understand the context of your post, but it would be even worse than that - if AA excluded ANYONE, as a group, AA would dissolve and nobody would be helped. Early writings indicate they wanted to exclude those with moral failings (as if the majority of drunks are paragons of morality) and decided that they better act as if Jesus was in charge and that it was far better to "hate the sin but love the sinner". As a result, AA accepts anyone who expresses a desire to stop being enslaved to alcohol and admits liars, cheats, thieves, adulterers, Whites, Blacks, homosexuals, and even Democrats....It is probably the most tolerant and non-political "organization" on the face of the Earth and will remain so as long as the Big Book remains firmly based on the Bigger Book. I'm a mere tyro with 24+ years, but have learned a lot about others and myself by being encouraged to examine myself first. It has strengthened me, my faith, my family and my marriage.
I never said AA should excluded Gays.
Although AA accepts liars, cheats, thieves, and adulterer, they do not have any literature that says “lying, cheating, and adultery” is ok.
They have plenty of literature that suggest Homosexuality is ok. In fact, AA, as an organization, equates being homosexual with being black or American Indian.
If by "endorsing the gay lifestyle (I prefer the term homosexuality)", you mean that the lack of condemnation of those who practice it, you miss the whole point of AA. Your unspoken suggestion, that AA ought to ostracize those with moral issues that you can't abide by, would help destroy AA and the good it does. Do you have someone who you respect and trust enough to discuss things with or are you relying solely on your own inner thoughts - remember that The Mind is a Terrible Thing?
Not in my area - there are no particular meetings for gay people - everyone attends the same meetings. There are men’s meetings and women’s meetings, but no gay meetings that I am aware of.
There are MANY gay AA meetings. Not many Christians ones.
I once tried to start a Christian AA meeting in the Inland Empire of Southern California, and was told “we dont want Christ mentioned at meetings”. They wouldn’t allow the meeting to be published in the directory.
If it was a Gay AA meeting, I wouldn’t have had a problem.
That is reality and truth.
Heck - they also have atheist meetings for those who want to try it sans-God. I have no problem because it still gives folks a chance to experience His love and to maybe reconsider...
I used to worry about the "purity" of AA being compromised to the point it was destroyed. Came to the conclusion that if God is in it, it cannot be destroyed. if God is excluded, it cannot stand. I leave it in His hands.
That’s also been my observation for just over 6 years...
“Maybe AA should not be so accomadating towards sin?”
Alcohol is a path TOWARDS sin.
AA is a path AWAY from sin.
Let them start Gay AA if they feel the need to separate themselves from the main group.
After all is said and done, it is not okay to by gay.
I thought this was a story about American Airlines and fags.
As a frequent flyer,
I’ve seen way more of that than I ever wanted to see,
Some may have been gay, and that’s fine I never knew it. But the swish-lyric talking, color coordinated queens really make the trip miserable.
Oh, crap I have another trip to make next week;-(
Read the AA Big Book and see how many of the female subjects “discovered” they were homosexual after they became sober.
“Currently gay meetings are held separate from the main group. Their meetings are identified as gay meetings and often times closed to others. There are Christian meetings as well.”
“If AA excluded gays, half the membership would drop out and no one would be helped. Ive known so many gay men in NYC and those that survived the AIDS crisis, sobered up with AA.
I understand the context of your post, but it would be even worse than that - if AA excluded ANYONE, as a group, AA would dissolve and nobody would be helped.”
I don’t see half the membership dropping out because homosexuals are excluding heteros from their meetings.
AA is based on Biblical and Christian Principles - if individual groups decide to exclude such, I doubt the groups will do much good. I have had folks gripe about my using Jesus' name in a meeting - I told them that He is my higher power and I'll describe Him as such. I also use dthe opportunity to let them know that the Lord's Prayer that closes most AA meetings started when some men said, "Master, teach us to pray as you do" and He told them, "When you do it, do it like this - Our Father, which art in Heaven...". It caused a few extra "moments of silence". They will only chase God out if the rest allow it - folks with experience and grounding should find it incumbent on themselves to lovingly (I stress the word "lovingly") explain things in terms that helps make it clear.
Perhaps you actually tried to convert an existing AA house to go the Christian theme - if you want to start a Christian meeting, do it the old-fashioned way and start small and if it grows, make your own arrangements to provide a meeting place and a coffee pot. I prefer to inhabit meetings where all the sinners are welcome because they provide a window into my own imperfect existence and give me opportunities to spread the Word to those who need to hear it - not just to those who already believe. I find it selfish and self-centered (recognize the phrase?) to try to mold something to suit yourself at the exclusion of possibly doing good for others. Next thing you might want to have a meeting that only allows folks with 5 years or more so they can pat each other on the back.
A note of thanks to you and your many ‘friends.’
I had a young man in my employ who was among the best, very sharp, personable,hard worker... He also had a problem.
A co worker handed me a large gold coin and said nineteen years clean and sober! He said he noticed a problem and ask if he could speak with T. They went to lunch a few times and would talk.
T moved on to another project and one day sadly fell off the earth. Did not come to work or answer the phone, he also had a wife and young son.
I have ask many of his work friends, the answer is the same, no one has heard from him and they think he is dead.
The offer to help T, a stranger, was a great act of kindness.
And no I didn't try “ Perhaps you actually tried to convert an existing AA house to go the Christian theme “ It was a new meeting where talk of Jesus Christ was allowed and encouraged. That meeting was not allowed to be listed in the AA directory. Here is a direct quote from the Inland Empire AA office : “We dont want meetings where Christ is mentioned”
Dude - you must be a true zealot to make such a leap as to say they are being pro-homosexual. The know the barriers that can keep people from seeking out the help they need and, in true AA form are trying to help break down the barriers. Talking to you reminds me of a story where a guy moves to a new town that contains a church with so many rules that he cannot attain membership. he is praying and lamenting about it when God speaks to him and asks what the problem is. he explains how he cannot get into the church and asks what he should do. God tells him, "Don't let your heart be troubled; they won't let Me in either".
Your apparent crusade appears to have no positive endgame - of what value is it?
Are there smoking and non-smoking meetings?