Posted on 05/11/2013 11:01:44 AM PDT by jpsb
shoulder fired missile can hit a jet liner above 5,000 feet.
Ok, thanks for the correction.
1. Stevens was there, knowingly, arranging weapons transfers to al Qaeda in Syria
2. Jarrett, Brennan, Rice and Obama had set up Stevens, unbeknownst to him, to be kidnapped so he could be exchanged for the blind sheik;
3. electoral politics - the need for al Qaeda to be defunct, the desire to have Obama be seen as 'rescuing' Stevens. Once it started to go sideways due to Woods and Doherty, the imperative to cover up became all consuming.
And please forgive the typos...
I don’t know if these MANPADS are dumb or smart, though.. if they were heat-seeking or laser-guided.. the ones shot at the Russian airliner over Syria missed.
Well said!
Throughout the history of mankind appeasement has NEVER worked but, alas, humans never learn. They keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
I have read that stevens and the special ops guy he was with were out to recover the manpads. I don’t think the Libyans were too happy about them being taken from then and being sent to Syria. Plus they were likely not thrilled with Stevens’ homosexual orientation...all good reasons in their mind to get rid of him and the CIA annex involved in manpad recovery operations. That’s my take.
As far as the Saudis...the west chose to support them early in the 20th century over other middle east entities in order to have access to oil so.there is a long history there of cooperation. They even host military for us...that relationship is not.going.away anytime soon.
Was actually going to avoid this post but changed my mind. What is said is correct by you and others. were the Saudis to stop accepting US dollars for oil, the world would have little use for US dollars. I'll ask you to think why that is true. Don't scratch the surface ... go deep and think about our so-called media. Think about our politicians. Think of after 911 a saudi prince offered the mayor Rudy 10 million dollars to help pay for the attack. It is certainly good Rudy turned the saudi prince down but if I had been in Rudy's shoes I would have backhanded the saudi prince and made the saudi prince's teeth rattle. The saudi prince wasn't serious offering 10 million to help America, the saudi prince was backhanding America. Thank God Rudy recognized what was going on.
I'll leave the remainder of your questions open for speculation. Wish I had the time to address each one with my opinion but at this time do not have that time.
Thanks for the post jpsb.
The kidnapping theory does not work for me, since the annex was attacked too. Now the consulate attack as a diversion for the annex attack is plausible except that it happened hours after the consulate attack. The only way I would "buy" the kidnapping theory is if there were two different gropus of attackers. One group attempts to kidnap Stevens, winds up killing him and then goes home. The other group senses a golden opportunity to carry out a planned annex and attacks.
Trivia : one of Obama’s campaign bundlers is a guy named Hasan Nemazee. He’s an Iranian who favors normalization with the Iranian regime. He was also found guilt of fraud, etc and sentenced to jail. He might be out by now.
Another of Obama’s donors was Antoin Rezco... Syrian in origin. Them there’s Obama’s brain Valerie Jarret. American diplomat’s kid born in Iraq. Not to mention Obama’s been a lively supporter of the Egyptian Muslim brotherhood, which is not hostile to Iran, while he has muddled up anyone and any other country’s efforts against Iran. And Obama himself hasn’t done anything so far to hinder Iran.
Now, which country is Obama supporting again?
Thank you.
Seems to me a shoulder-fired missile would need a LOT of propellent to reach 20,000 feet, making the missile too big to carry. Right? (I’m just speculating.)
There is much more to come out about Benghazi. Hopefully that dam will break when some of the first-person witnesses come forward.
I do find it amusing how spokeskid Jay Carney has to scramble to keep up with the latest news. Does he realize we all know he’s lying and that his credibility is now on a par with Baghdad Bob?
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No.
The initial attack was on the safe house (a "consulate" can issue passports and visas, safe houses can not). Ansar Al-Sharia knew Stevens was there.
Hours later, with no fighting on-going at the safe house, Ansar Al-Sharia attacked the CIA station.
The timing rules out the "diversion" theory.
Ansar Al-Sharia knew Stevens was there, and they waited for the Turkish Ambassador to leave.
I think the good guys were recovering the MANPADS and that the deliberate drawdown of security and no exit strategy for the people holed up there indicates that they were merely pawns until the rebels could come steal all the weapons conveniently housed there. I am just speculating, of course. The question is who got the weapons that had not yet been destroyed. Who is who and what not is not clear obviously.
There were no surface to air missiles missing from the Benghazi consulate. None. Nada. Zip.
The MANPADS to which you refer were those estimated by the US government to have been in Qadaffi's arsenal that we were unable to recover. They are not of US manufacture and were never thought to be missing from our possession- they disappeared when rebels overran various armories of Qadaffi's regime, or were smuggled out by regime loyalists, etc. In short, we were unable to account for what we estimated Libya to have. The only people who would know for sure how many were sold to Libya were the manufacturers, who were probably Russian, maybe Chinese.
Was this a gun-running operation?
We don't know, but there is a theory it was a missile-running operation. The Obama administration does have a bit of a reputation for running weapons to Mexican drug cartels... so the possibility is certainly there, I doubt it. (Though I think the Syrian rebels would find night vision equipment more useful than MANPADS, to be honest.) The Syrian rebels, regime, or other groups not on the rebels side, could just easily obtain the MANPADS from the Libyans who originally had them, or the Libyans that overran the arsenals, all by themselves, without a need to go through us, since as of yet there is no evidence that we ever had posession of them.
The US personnel in Benghazi were there trying to ocate these missing MANPADS. They were there because Benghazi is in the center of those factions in Libya most likely to have taken them and also those terrorist groups most likely to use them against us. It is logical to look for them in that region, as Benghazi was a place where Qadaffi trained terror groups for years.
What the h*ll happened to those missiles?
We don't know where all of them were. Could be like Iraq where our estimate is wrong. We were in the process of trying to locate and round them up - that's what folks like Doherty and wod do ater all- when the facility was attacked, but there were reports that some turned up in Gaza and other places where Iranian backed and EMB backed terrorists had smuggled the ones they managed to get their hands on when Libya fell.
Do we have to wait until airplanes start falling out of the skies?
Hard tellin.' depends on whether or not we sent people to replace the personnel we lost, or whether we sent some of hos working on it back after they were patched up.
I'd push the question before the cover up. Why did Bush lie to get us into Iraq and why did Obama lie to get us into Africa? We continue to lose men and money then lie to keep us involved in this area. It's been the policy of both parties so to parry for election advantage comes up short. This isn't going away until we get to the bottom of why a continuous war policy is in our best interests. Back on the ranch, the country is stagnating.
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Video: MSNBC Turns on Obama, Admits Benghazi Cover-Up
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3018153/posts
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On Tuesday, Interfax’s source informed that the aircraft was allegedly attacked when it was flying at an altitude of 9,800 meters.
“The first missile detonated at 9,200 meters, the second one at 8,900 meters”, the source said.
About the Saudis...They are a way to get oil without the noise from the enviro-nuts which only gets louder and louder (Even though AGW is now discredited). There are many mysteries about Benghazi, and I find it amazing how the press can just ignore the story. It’s an arrogance that boggles my mind.
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