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Brother of 8-year-old California girl arrested in her stabbing death
CNN.ocm ^ | May 11, 2013 | Greg Botelho

Posted on 05/11/2013 8:49:03 PM PDT by South40

(CNN) -- Detectives on Saturday arrested the 12-year-old brother of Leila Fowler on a homicide charge in connection with his 8-year-old sister's death, Calaveras County, California, Sheriff Gary Kuntz said.

The brother -- who Kuntz did not name, but did speak publicly after his sister's death -- was arrested at 5:10 p.m. (8:10 p.m. ET) at a county sheriff's office substation in his hometown of Valley Springs, according to the sheriff.

"Citizens of Calaveras County can sleep a little better tonight," Kuntz said.

Leila Fowler and her brother were said to be alone on Saturday, April 27, in their family's northern California home when she was found dead. The 12-year-old told police that he'd seen an intruder leaving the home, then found his sister suffering from stab wounds.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: calaverascounty; leilafowler; murder; valleysprings

1 posted on 05/11/2013 8:49:03 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40

My heart breaks for the family.........they have lost a daughter and a son.


2 posted on 05/11/2013 8:51:37 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: South40
"Universal background checks" will stop this kind of ****!

Sarc/

It's the people, stupid!

3 posted on 05/11/2013 8:54:10 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is the root cause of violent crime in Mexico. - Barack Hussein Obama Jr.)
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To: South40

So much evil in the world, such sad times. Family is supposed to be there for each other. I have three older brothers and they would to this day do anything to protect me. I cannot imagine that her brother savagely murdered her...


4 posted on 05/11/2013 8:54:18 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Tammy8

About thirty years ago my sister said she had a dream/vision that people would be born in this world who had no soul.
I asked her what she meant and she said “they would not know right from wrong”.
I am thinking she was right.


5 posted on 05/11/2013 8:57:39 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: South40

I think we are long past the time for revisiting the Laws about age and willful acts. The Law likes to pretend that 9-12 year olds cannot understand their actions in such serious matters. Clearly, this boy knew what he did, knew it was wring, was savvy enough to make up a story, and told the story to police and on camera. This is not some little lamb, incapable of understanding right and wrong.


6 posted on 05/11/2013 8:59:46 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast)
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To: South40

I always thought that the brother of Jon Benet Ramsey, Burke Ramsey, killed her. The Ramsey family protected him.
IMO this was a similar case.


7 posted on 05/11/2013 9:02:39 PM PDT by TaMoDee ( Lassez les bons temps rouler dans les 2013! Geaux, Pack, Geaux!)
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To: svcw

Just like the worker in the Gossell trial that said she didn’t know murdering babies was wrong because she was told to do it. I don’t understand it.


8 posted on 05/11/2013 9:03:43 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: South40

This was speculated the moment that it happened..that the brother was the only one to see this supposed intruder..and when you kill someone with a knife its often someone the victim knows since its so personal


9 posted on 05/11/2013 9:14:21 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: svcw

They lost a daughter but the son was a selfish POS, don’t you think?


10 posted on 05/11/2013 9:18:14 PM PDT by Bullish (May the time soon come when Obamunism is only spoken of in hell.)
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To: svcw
Re: 5

This has been going on since Cain killed Abel.
The heart of man is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked. Who can know it?

Without a heart transplant, and a renewed spirit from The Lord - we are all prone to evil.

Ephesians 2:1-3 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

11 posted on 05/11/2013 9:24:55 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Bullish

They lost a son, because he did what he did......


12 posted on 05/11/2013 9:25:46 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: South40

I’ve had my doubt’s about the kid’s story from the beginning.


13 posted on 05/11/2013 9:26:30 PM PDT by Retired Chemist
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To: Teacher317
And on the Tuesday night after the stabbing, the 12-year-old brother said, "I'm not saying goodbye to Leila. I'm saying 'See you later.' There are no goodbyes."

What a little psycho.

He knows just what to say - a touching, spiritual message. He must be very self-possessed and observant of other's reactions.

14 posted on 05/11/2013 9:31:08 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: svcw

Yeah, I know what you meant dude.... And it’s ridiculous.


15 posted on 05/11/2013 9:37:46 PM PDT by Bullish (May the time soon come when Obamunism is only spoken of in hell.)
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To: South40

Sweet merciful Jesus, please save us from ourselves.


16 posted on 05/11/2013 9:42:32 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: BlackVeil

FWIW, some stories have said he’s a stepbrother


17 posted on 05/11/2013 9:52:15 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: svcw

Respect to your sister, but I’m not sure I believe anyone’s born without a soul. I believe right and wrong are mostly taught concepts, though, and of course the brother could just be a homocidal maniac... Maybe that’s what your sister meant, more mentally unbalanced kids being born? On that point, I may have to agree.

I do know there are many children that are born without being surrounded by a loving family. I saw a lot of it in the poor, rural county where I was raised (back then a majority of black folks, if that matters) and later in Russia where there are so many orphans... You can see the empty soul-less stare you get when looking into their eyes. I’m confident most wouldn’t have that stare, or the savage mindset, if they were raised right.

It’s really very sad. But we can’t give up on them.

“Each man’s death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.”

God bless that little girl. I hope her needless suffering was very brief...


18 posted on 05/11/2013 9:53:04 PM PDT by Unc1e_Ivan (People sleep peacefully in bed at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf)
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To: TaMoDee

I seem to recall the DNA did not match any family members???


19 posted on 05/11/2013 9:54:59 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee

You recall correctly.


20 posted on 05/11/2013 10:01:35 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: TaMoDee

I don’t find it hard to believe that a 12 year old boy could physical overpower an 8 year old girl in a house where no adult was present.

Jon Benet Ramsey was killed with both parents in the house. I find it hard to believe that a 9 year old could overpower. fracture the skull and strangle a 6 year old without disturbing the parents.


21 posted on 05/11/2013 10:04:14 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK
Ch 40 briefly showed a picture of him from the vigil. He is a big (tall) boy for a 12 year old, almost as tall as the father.
22 posted on 05/11/2013 10:15:58 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Retired Chemist

Me too. I knew it would turn out to be him.


23 posted on 05/11/2013 10:21:21 PM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: svcw

Chilling thought, but it has crossed my mind that some people don’t seem to have a soul. I don’t remember thinking that years ago- though bad stuff, crazy stuff happened then too. It just seems different now in some way, maybe we just hear more about it.

I remember when the Manson family murders happened my dad heard it on the radio and woke us all up to tell us about it. Now no one would think it was unusual enough to wake people to tell them.


24 posted on 05/11/2013 10:22:51 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: South40

“And on the Tuesday night after the stabbing, the 12-year-old brother said, “I’m not saying goodbye to Leila. I’m saying ‘See you later.’ There are no goodbyes.”


25 posted on 05/11/2013 10:27:04 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Tammy8

“Chilling thought, but it has crossed my mind that some people don’t seem to have a soul.”

See ‘The Bad Seed’, a film and a novel from 1956.


26 posted on 05/11/2013 10:30:02 PM PDT by Pelham (Deport illegal aliens? Hell yes!)
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To: Selene

I had a feeling that would be the case.


27 posted on 05/11/2013 10:48:48 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: South40

Those poor parents. I think *this* is a parent’s worst nightmare ... that one child does something awful to the other.

I also wondered the first time I heard this story if the brother actually did it. I hate being proved right.

I wonder if she threatened to tell on him for something he did ... possibly to her. If he was cold-blooded enough to kill her, have an alibi thought out, and also utter those smarmy things about “not saying goodbye,” he may have been doing horrible things for a long, long time.


28 posted on 05/11/2013 10:53:09 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: Bullish; svcw

When you lose someone you love, it hurts. No matter how rotten that person turns out to be, it still hurts.


29 posted on 05/11/2013 11:01:28 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Pelham

Film *The Seventh Sign*,

The Guf was not made up for this movie. In Jewish mysticism, the Guf is the Hall of Souls, located in the Seventh Heaven. Every human soul is said to emanate from the Guf. The Talmud teaches that the Messiah will not come until the Guf is emptied of all its souls, which is the basic premise for The Seventh Sign.


30 posted on 05/11/2013 11:08:24 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: WilliamIII

I find that most of the time the press doesn’t know the difference between a half sibling and a step sibling.


31 posted on 05/11/2013 11:30:51 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: svcw

there have always been people who learn to disable their conscience. they are either tortured by others and just turn off, or enjoy hurting others and eventually their conscience stops working.


32 posted on 05/11/2013 11:41:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

the weapon isn’t personal. it’s where it’s used and how many injuries.

when the victim is attacked on the face, it’s personal.

when it’s a gross number of wounds, it’s personal.


33 posted on 05/11/2013 11:43:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/04/30/candlelight-vigil-offers-leila-fowlers-mother-a-chance-to-speak/

If you have a strong enough stomach, you can watch a video clip here of her “alleged” killer — brother Justin Fowler — sniffing and acting heartbroken.


34 posted on 05/12/2013 1:04:05 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Saw video clip with the brother. Looks big and older than 12. Think you’re seriously on to something here.


35 posted on 05/12/2013 2:44:13 AM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: Retired Chemist
I’ve had my doubt’s about the kid’s story from the beginning.

So did I. Why would an "intruder" who was heartless enough to kill an 8 year old girl leave a witness behind?

36 posted on 05/12/2013 3:14:06 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: svcw

I see nothing in my Bible about people ever being born without souls, but perhaps the parable of the sewer of the seed explains the situation better as well as the prophecies of the Great Apostacy that would fall upon the churches. Every one alive is a soul(though “dead in trespasses and sin”), but not every soul has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. CS Lewis makes the statement, “ the world is a sculptor’s shop and all the people in it are statues, but there’s a rumor going around that some of the statues are going to come to life one day”

Many churches have stopped “spreading good seed” so that folks can’t hear the truth(since faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God). Secondly activity by Satan has increased so that there is an increased “snatching away of the seed” so that consciences never get the chance to develop into having a knowledge of what sin is and God’s disapproval of it (which would lead to a knowledge of guilt and culpability as Paul described what the law does, then leading to a desire for God and forgiveness.)

With weak and lukewarm church teaching, people with rocky soil seed, lose their initial faith much more rapidly as what little chance they had to develop a deeper rootednees has vanished. Materialism and the cares “of this world”like weeds have choaked the faith of many and those whose seed was rooted deeply often despair because the shallow teaching of the church at large have left many to feel that they are “going it alone”.


37 posted on 05/12/2013 3:45:39 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: mdmathis6
[...] the parable of the sewer sower of the seed [...]

Regards,

38 posted on 05/12/2013 4:15:53 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: South40

My first thought, upon hearing about this horrible murder was: the brother did it. But I figured that everyone would attack me for saying that so I kept quiet. But I was always quietly sure...


39 posted on 05/12/2013 6:39:36 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (I haven't even started to procrastinate.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I said this when it first hit the news. I just couldn’t understand why some stranger would go in the house, stab the little girl, and not be seen again. For apparently no reason. I said someone in the family or close to it did it. The simplest answer is usually the correct one. So sad.


40 posted on 05/12/2013 8:49:44 AM PDT by sheana
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To: mdmathis6; All

I also added she said “they would not know right from wrong”.
It appears we are seeing more psychopathic behavior these days.
Psychopaths are not capable of feeling guilt, remorse or empathy for what they do.
They tend to be cunning, manipulative and know the difference between right and wrong but do no feel it has anything to do with them - IE they know the difference and do not care.
So my sister maybe right.


41 posted on 05/12/2013 8:53:04 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: svcw
my sister said she had a dream/vision that people would be born in this world who had no soul.

Pretty darned accurate and very scary. I think maybe those without souls could be developed from too much violent input. When pictures on a screen, whether movies, tv, video games, internet, etc depict killing and wounding every minute, the little ones' souls are murdered too.

Knowing right from wrong seems pretty much inborn, as a matter of what we once called "natural law." You just instinctively know/feel that killing and lying and cheating are wrong. Pixel law seems to override that.

42 posted on 05/12/2013 8:56:49 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: South40

I said from day one to look at the brother... the whole story just seemed way too unlikely.


43 posted on 05/12/2013 7:11:13 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: sheana

Actually I didn’t even think of the brother.

My gut was some sick teens in the area doing something on a dare or to “prove” themselves.

Was this boy actually related or not? Couple posts say no related DNA was found, yet.


44 posted on 05/13/2013 7:44:09 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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