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Vanity: hypothetical on Beghazi why and who
Vanity: theory about Benghazi | 5/11/2013 | Swordmaker

Posted on 05/12/2013 3:49:07 AM PDT by Swordmaker

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21 posted on 05/12/2013 5:27:19 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Venturer

Obama likes to blame others. If he blames Hillary, will Hillary blame Obama? Who would the CIA blame?


22 posted on 05/12/2013 5:36:50 AM PDT by FreedBird
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To: FreedBird

Remember, the Clinton’s got rolled in 2008. They were livid. The Clinton’s will not roll a second time because this is the absolute last window she has. There will be a huge war between the Soros clan and the Clinton CAP clan and it will make the The Hatfields & The McCoys look like a putt-putt match.


23 posted on 05/12/2013 5:42:24 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: mazda77

Could the Clintons use the CIA to do their dirty work?


24 posted on 05/12/2013 5:46:20 AM PDT by FreedBird
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To: Swordmaker

Actually swordmaker, I have been saying this here for several months.


25 posted on 05/12/2013 5:51:05 AM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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To: Swordmaker

Although it’s intriguing to ponder possibilities, I believe the simplest explanation is probably the correct one.

Security was not provided to the consulate because we didn’t want to seem overly hostile and aggressive. Hillary and Obama actually deluded themselves into believing that they were the great Middle East peacemakers.

The video story and subsequent cover up were concocted because Obama did not want his assertion that al Queda was “on the run” to be debunked by reality and didn’t want to give Romney ammunition in the latter stages of the campaign.

Obama, in consultation with Clinton, gave the stand down order because there was no way they were going to chance this being a rerun of Mogadishu right before the election. Better to sacrifice an ambassador, than to have our soldiers being cruelly dragged through the streets.


26 posted on 05/12/2013 5:52:46 AM PDT by randita
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To: FreedBird

At this point, yes, but their source for this in the past was the FBI. That is gone now with Holder but with Muller it still might have backdoor access.


27 posted on 05/12/2013 6:01:03 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: FreedBird

There is plenty of blame to go around.

This is the most Fubar’ed Administration to ever exist in America.


28 posted on 05/12/2013 6:20:53 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: atc23
No help was sent because Boy Wonder Barry Obama was so incoherently drunk and high that he was passed out.

Of all the conjectures floating around, this is the one that just seems to be the most logical, considering what is public knowledge of the Kenyan.

29 posted on 05/12/2013 6:32:48 AM PDT by varon (USA Nationalist)
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To: Venturer

We can blame the media more than anyone. When Fox, Rush, Hannity or Savage report strongly on a story, they immediately back off. They clearly support Democrats regardless of the facts or truth. It may have something to do with targeted advertisements but the information is always controlled and manipulated. It is a challenge to sort out propaganda and find the truth on topics in the news.


30 posted on 05/12/2013 6:34:23 AM PDT by FreedBird
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To: Swordmaker

If Obama planned to have Stevens captured so that he could make a big political production out of it, then why didn’t Obama make a big political production out of it? That option was always there, even after they knew Stevens was dead. Obama hiding during this event looks to me like someone who has received a sudden shock. He wouldn’t have been shocked if Stevens had been killed in an Obama plan gone wrong. They would have known that Stevens being killed was always a possibility. And remember Rahm Emmanuel’s admonition about never letting a crisis go to waste. Why wasn’t Obama giving a press conference about how he was going to fix all this and get justice for Stevens? Nope. Obama was scared and shocked. Why did Obama and Hillary, two staunch, peace loving Democrats use the might of the United States to overthrow the government in Libya? I thought the Democrats were talkers, not fighters. Why?


31 posted on 05/12/2013 7:15:32 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Swordmaker

I agree...If this were simply a terror attack, then it would have been a 15 minute event; Go in, find a few people and kill them, blow up a bunch of stuff and go home.

But this was drawn out. It was supposed to be scripted, as you pointed out, except that not everyone knew the script. The potential hostages didn’t know and reacted as real people, not actors. They begged for help as expected. The heroes, had they obeyed orders and “stood down”, would not have caused fear in the minds of the hostage takers. No shots would have been fired.

Just like Fast and Furious, it takes whistle-blowers to show the real plot of this evil adminstration.


32 posted on 05/12/2013 7:16:51 AM PDT by ThomasNast (2350)
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To: saganite
I never thought the birth certificate released last year was that big a deal. Sure, it was taken apart but the media provided sufficient cover to keep it from gaining traction outside conservative circles. Most people were willing to believe anything the media told them about “discredited birthers”. I don’t think that could have been the catalyst as you suggest.

On the contrary, for the first time the MSM were starting to pay attention and were NOT giving cover and were asking questions. Letters to the editors were starting to appear from people who were duplicating the layers with their home computers and asking "what the hell?" It had legs.

33 posted on 05/12/2013 9:42:23 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Venturer
Obama had proven on many instances that no challenge to the Birth Certificate would amount to anything. He had lock-tight cover from the Media and the Supreme Court for that.

Venturer, the events of that week following the release of the long form birth certificate belie your claim. . . The main stream media was suddenly NOT covering it up and was actually reporting it for the first time! The forgery was too blatant when people at home could do their own testing and see for themselves, it had to acknowledged. The BC problem was escalating.

34 posted on 05/12/2013 9:58:27 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: nesnah
First we have to go back to April 27, 2012.

On April 27, 2012 Obama released his longform birth certificate to lay to rest the long simmering questions about his eligibility to hold the office of President.

Obama release his birth certificate on April 27, 2011.

You are correct. However, I was rewriting this from memory in the early AM after FR disappeared my original with the correct dates when I was trying to post it and I got a disconnect. Note the posting time. I was quite rumdum and missed the error in my proof reading. Sorry about that.

35 posted on 05/12/2013 10:58:55 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: blueunicorn6
If Obama planned to have Stevens captured so that he could make a big political production out of it, then why didn’t Obama make a big political production out of it? That option was always there, even after they knew Stevens was dead. Obama hiding during this event looks to me like someone who has received a sudden shock. He wouldn’t have been shocked if Stevens had been killed in an Obama plan gone wrong. They would have known that Stevens being killed was always a possibility.

No, blue, they did NOT assume their plan could fail. Narcissists never assume their perfect plans can fail. They are shocked when they do. They do not have contingency plans for the impossible because they cannot possibly fail. There was no fall back plan.

Why wasn’t Obama giving a press conference about how he was going to fix all this and get justice for Stevens? Nope.

Did you miss it? Obama did do just that. He said we would do everything humanly possible to bring the perpetrators, the members of the mob, to justice. And the creator of that reprehensible YouTube trailer as well... All to get "justice" for Ambassador Stevens and the other victims. Then they talked and talked and talked...

36 posted on 05/12/2013 11:19:58 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

I think you’re spot on, except for the BC stuff and you thinking there wasn’t any arms smuggling going on.


37 posted on 05/12/2013 11:43:48 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Swordmaker

So that’s why nothing was ever done about the deceit? I disagree.

The media has never admitted it is a fake.


38 posted on 05/12/2013 12:31:09 PM PDT by Venturer
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So that’s why nothing was ever done about the deceit? I disagree.

The media has never admitted it is a fake.

I did not say they admitted it was a fake, I said the "controversy" made the main stream media... That had never happened before. That was big. . . It was a line that was being crossed the administration did not want crossed.

39 posted on 05/13/2013 7:07:16 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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