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To: savagesusie
Their system is designed to remove children from parents and make them slaves of the state-—indoctrinate the children and de-Christianize them-—to create non-thinking workers for the state, conditioned into slavery.

Please don't mistake this as a defense of the German homeschooling ban, which it is not. But with all due respect, what you say isn't strictly true. Yes, state run public schools are the norm in Germany. And yes, homeschooling as practised in the US is illegal in Germany. However, it's more complex than that.

a.) There is no strict separation of church and state as in the US. As a result, even public schools offer religious education. Often the religion teacher is the town pastor. There is some variation from state to state (e.g. a city state like Berlin might offer ethics courses as standard and make religious courses optional, whereas in other states the whole school might be denominational, e.g. a catholic or protestant public school).
b.) For those who find 2 hours per week of moderate Lutheranism or Roman Catholicism insufficient, there is a huge variety of religious private schools. These schools get similar tax money allocation per child as public schools, so except for posh boarding schools, they are often quite affordable.
c.) If even a conservative, church-run catholic school is to milquetoast, there is also the option of Zwergschulen (dwarf schools). German law says that pupils have the right to a teacher with an education degree, it doesn't say that they have to attend state-run schools. Most religious communities have no problems finding children from half a dozen families and and someone with a background in education amongst their midst to start their own private "dwarf" schools.

The reason why the Romeike case is not much of an issue in Germany is because there are very few religious parents who have a problem with the current system. In many ways the issue is more about sensitivities in the US than about Germany.
39 posted on 05/15/2013 12:17:19 PM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: wolf78

My objections to German schools go much deeper than what you discuss-—it goes to the Postmodernism—the Fichte/Wundt/ Hegelian/Marxism/Nietzschean ideology which is the only allowed “mindset” of Germans. You can not escape the indoctrination into irrationality and slavery.

The “religion” in Germany is controlled by the State-—as Pastor Bonhoeffer refused the mainline “churches” in Germany, even before Hitler took them over in the 30’s-—they were already “de-Christianized” at that point——with the “Filth from the Rhine and the vulgar Weimar Republic corrupting the Youth”—(Postmodernist ideology) that ideology of the Frankfurt school and the preceding 18th century philosophers who actually “killed” off God and the Christian “ethical” system, and kicked out all Classical philosophy (Reason) for Dialectical Materialism and Postmodernism.

As Hannah Arendt stated, political theory started with Socrates and ended with Marx. The fundamental Natural Duty of human beings is to care for their offspring, nurture them, and transmit their worldview and traditions. Any other system which separates young children from their biological parents inculcates an artificial, sterile, dehumanized world. Children will not “flourish” as they were designed-—in a Natural way and will be “trained” and conditioned by the State. They will be dehumanized to an extend-—be a part of a collective-—with collective “rights”—where individualism is crushed and punished. Individuals are expendable, and it all depends on the “rulers” who can live, speak and participate in the government. Some Ideas will be punished.

The State can never transmit “values” which lead to uniqueness, individualism, “thinking-outside-the-box” the way the natural family is designed to do. People like Lincoln could not exist or will not be “produced” in today’s Germany-—they are forced into a “group think” factory at a young age and controlled in a Marxist’s design—Top Down control. Uniqueness, love of God, is nearly impossible. Pressure to be one of the “herd” is instilled and inculcated in the Prussian system of education.

Parents in Germany are not treated as “masters”-—as adults. They are controlled by the State with little, if any, allowed autonomy. The force of government will crush any dissent-—like it does to human beings who want to raise their children as God designed them to be raised——in the most humane way-—not institutionalized where they are forced into a group “think” atmosphere with dozens of immature children who all are dictated to and controlled every minute (unlike the childhood of a Lincoln or Mark Twain) and all individuality is crushed and vilified. Humiliation faces all children who “think outside the box”.

There is only ONE allowed ideology/ethical system in Germany. There is no god, but the State and the State controls all allowed perceptions and ethics and what “type” of god you can worship. The Christian god the pastors worship-—is not the God of the Bible. Truth is never allowed—only irrational ideology of Postmodernists. Natural Law (science) is thrown out-—there are no Laws of Nature, and Rights are dictated by the State—never God or Natural Laws.

What they don’t allow is the “individualism” (free will) and autonomy of the adults to actually be adults and control their own lives and their children’s lives——they dictate everything-—give them little “choices” but not the major ones-—like controlling the worldview of their own children.

The children are really owned by the State. They dictate everything the parents can and can not do. Their system of education forces compliance/dependence/and destroys all incentives which lead to individualism—ideas which threaten the control of the State.

True Freedom is “scary” to most people——especially those who grow up in a systemized society like Germany which conditions and indoctrinates into irrational atheism and worship of the State. They become little happy campers-—loving the State making all their major life decisions. They don’t even (can’t ) understand that they are really slaves and their “lives” are worthless. They are reduced to termites in a colony——total dehumanization.


40 posted on 05/15/2013 5:02:41 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: wolf78

BTW, it was JS Mill who stated in “On Liberty”.....when the government controls education, the State will only make slaves for the State, they will never “educate”—they will indoctrinate. It is why our Founders wanted local control of schools (parent control).

We all know Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. It is a fact.

BTW, our system is also unconstitutional....Common Core is as insidious as any Marxist curricula and as dehumanizing. As is Goals 2000, Race to the Top, etc.
All written by hard core Marxists-—to make slaves (de-Christianize) for the state (corporations). Christianity teaches dignity and worth of individuals and not the “collective” like Marx, so Christian Ethics (God) has to go.


41 posted on 05/15/2013 5:13:02 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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