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Ex-NASA scientist says re-industrializing with fossil fuels makes no sense
EurActiv ^ | Published 15 May 2013 | Updated 16 May 2013 | Arthur Neslen

Posted on 05/16/2013 1:35:27 PM PDT by Olog-hai

A noted climatologist and recently-retired NASA research chief has entered the EU’s energy policy debate, with a warning that any re-industrialization strategy that increases fossil fuels use can only be short-term, irrational and economically wasteful.

In a wide-ranging interview with EurActiv, James Hansen branded the EU’s Emissions Trading System (ETS) “ineffectual” and flawed, and accused energy firms of preferring government bribes over investments in clean technology. Hansen, whose Congressional testimony on climate change in 1988 first popularized the issue in the United States, also said that approving the proposed Keystone XL pipeline to bring tar sands fuel from Canada to Texas would “gravely tarnish” President Barack Obama’s legacy. …

“We do not make fossil fuels companies pay for their effects on human health, or on the climate, and we even subsidize them,” he said, “so it is a very short term argument to say that you should re-industrialize in a way that uses more fossil fuels. It doesn’t even make economic sense from a long-term perspective,” he argued. “By any rational assessment, those fuels need to be left in the ground.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; climatechangehoax; energy; envirowackos; europeanunion; eussr; fossilfuels; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; jameshansen
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This loon had too long of a tenure in NASA. He has to be the worst of the worst. (Funny how he tries to “understand” Venus’ atmosphere while not taking that planet’s extreme volcanism into account, eh? Just like measuring 400 ppm of atmospheric CO2 on top of Mauna Loa.)
1 posted on 05/16/2013 1:35:27 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Funny.


2 posted on 05/16/2013 1:37:32 PM PDT by Hans
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To: Olog-hai

Wrong in ‘88. Wrong now. At least we see where our tax dollars went paying this useless POS.


3 posted on 05/16/2013 1:37:54 PM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Olog-hai

Thing is, I don’t think they are fossil fuels any more than I think I use my phone to tape stuff. It’s just a phrase. Evidence is increasing that the earth itself generates that stuff.


4 posted on 05/16/2013 1:38:33 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Olog-hai
any re-industrialization strategy that increases fossil fuels use can only be short-term, irrational and economically wasteful.

That's OK, Mr. Hansen. Give me a quark reactor instead, or at least a working fusion reactor.

Oh, you don't have one? Then come back with your helpful advices when you do. Humans on this planet need all the energy they can lay their hands on just to survive.

5 posted on 05/16/2013 1:40:28 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: cuban leaf

Reminds me of when taxonomists classified the giant panda as a raccoon rather than a bear, merely because the red panda is actually related to the raccoons. Scientists need to stick to the scientific method.


6 posted on 05/16/2013 1:40:54 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

oh look the most prominent member of the dark earth society is still causing trouble.


7 posted on 05/16/2013 1:41:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do uwhen I have a fire.)
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To: Olog-hai

Might be a reason why he’s an EX Nasa scientist.


8 posted on 05/16/2013 1:41:30 PM PDT by Lake Living
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To: Olog-hai

Nothing about nuclear energy. They don’t want to talk about that.


9 posted on 05/16/2013 1:41:35 PM PDT by MCF
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To: Olog-hai

Fine... it’s becoming more and more apparent that oil and NATURAL gas are not “fossil fuels”...


10 posted on 05/16/2013 1:42:08 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Olog-hai
accused energy firms of preferring government bribes over investments in clean technology.

Welcome to the real world Hansen, you didn't actually think any of this horsesh** you were peddling was actually taken seriously do you?

11 posted on 05/16/2013 1:42:30 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Olog-hai

So we should leave the toxins in the ground, unused, where they may poison the water table and come on the shores of our beaches?

Because of some fantasy that man is changing the Earth’s temperature?

The fuels may not even be fossil based.


12 posted on 05/16/2013 1:43:16 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Olog-hai

“Ex NASA Scientist Makes No Sense” would be a better headline...


13 posted on 05/16/2013 1:44:04 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Greysard
Come on, you know we can power our modern economy with unicorn farts and Skittles, uh, windmills and solar panels - after all, Dr. Hansen says so. He's one of them really smart science guys that spend their days doing really really smart things, so he knows what he's talking about, no?

What a maroon.

14 posted on 05/16/2013 1:45:53 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: Olog-hai

Yeah. When I argue with liberals about AGW (human caused global warming) they inevitably accuse me of hating science. My response is always the same. I LOVE science. I HATE JUNK science.


15 posted on 05/16/2013 1:46:13 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Olog-hai

How did I know it was going to be Hansen?


16 posted on 05/16/2013 1:46:27 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Olog-hai

What the hell does “re-industrializing” mean?


17 posted on 05/16/2013 1:46:56 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Olog-hai
fuels use can only be short-term...

If, by "short term", this "scientist" means the next 1000 years, then yes, by all means, use fossil fuels for the short term!

[drilling for oil needs 1,000,000 years from now is RIGHT out!].

18 posted on 05/16/2013 1:47:33 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Olog-hai

it is NOT a fossil fuel!!!!!


19 posted on 05/16/2013 1:50:01 PM PDT by cork (Remember Bengazi!)
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To: Olog-hai
... noted discredited climatologist and recently retiredremoved NASA research chief James Hansen

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Jimmy, buy a vowel.

20 posted on 05/16/2013 1:50:41 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: cuban leaf

Oh, the “hate science” talking point. It’s they that hate science and prefer dogma; when their dogma doesn’t stand up to the scientific method, they start in with their “destroy the infidel” rhetoric.


21 posted on 05/16/2013 1:51:21 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

This guy is a total left wing hack.


22 posted on 05/16/2013 1:52:07 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The Republican Party is dead. Let's not pretend otherwise.)
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To: cork

Think one of Jupiter or Saturn’s moons has a methane (natural gas) atmosphere. Fossils weren’t the source of that. Hydrocarbons have been found in plumes of gas from Mars. Seems that these chemicals we call fossil fuels are noticeably abundant in the universe.


23 posted on 05/16/2013 1:58:12 PM PDT by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is just enough to win elections)
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To: cuban leaf

DEEP HOT BIO-SPHERE ping!!!!!!!


24 posted on 05/16/2013 2:01:37 PM PDT by petro45acp (It's a fabian thing.....how do you boil a frog? How's that water feelin right about now?)
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To: Olog-hai

Paying any attention to this pseudo-scientist makes no sense.


25 posted on 05/16/2013 2:01:52 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Olog-hai

“Ex-NASA scientist says re-industrializing with fossil fuels makes no sense”

NASA ex-scientist says re-industrializing with fossil fuels makes no sense

There, fixed it.


26 posted on 05/16/2013 2:02:57 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Olog-hai

Using his rationale perhaps he could start by turning off his air conditioner and discontinuing driving and flying. He is personally consuming resources and adding no value to society. Perhaps he should stop eating as well.


27 posted on 05/16/2013 2:03:33 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Olog-hai

“with a warning that any re-industrialization strategy that increases fossil fuels use can only be short-term, irrational and economically wasteful”

So, now, we have a retired NASA scientist who is an expert at industrialization....

Me thinks he has inhaled too much rocket fuel or stayed at a Holiday Inn last night....


28 posted on 05/16/2013 2:03:34 PM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: Olog-hai

I’m really looking forward to the day I get to read James Hansen’s obituary. It’ll be champagne popping time, for sure!


29 posted on 05/16/2013 2:03:55 PM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: MCF

Wonderful when a teen comes together!!!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/05/15/teenager-designs-safer-nuclear-power-plants/


30 posted on 05/16/2013 2:05:08 PM PDT by petro45acp (It's a fabian thing.....how do you boil a frog? How's that water feelin right about now?)
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To: Olog-hai
Libtards prefer the "reverse scientific method":

  1. Draw the conclusions.
  2. Cherry-pick data which suppoprts them.
  3. If little or nothing can be found, then manufacture said data.
  4. Ignore or discard any data which doesn't support the conclusions. It always starts with the conclusions.

31 posted on 05/16/2013 2:05:38 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Olog-hai

Paying the time of day to EX-NASA scientists makes no sense.

So he graduated from the super advanced shop class at MIT or wherever. Doesn’t mean he knows a damn thing about the real world.


32 posted on 05/16/2013 2:05:44 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Olog-hai

We should re-industrialize using muscle power from draft animals and humans yoked to machines. After all, it worked so well for thousands of years before the Industrial Revolution.


33 posted on 05/16/2013 2:09:10 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: shibumi

Makes plenty of sense to the socialists in Europe, though.


34 posted on 05/16/2013 2:10:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: PGR88; Olog-hai
What the hell does “re-industrializing” mean?

It's nonsense, but its use is very telling. The target of the alarmists has always been industrialization and industrialized society itself. These people have the belief that the human race is destroying the planet by the very process of industrialization. They invented AGW theory as their silver bullet that explains how we have been destroying the planet and how we can "save" it.

To the extent the alarmists' plans have been implemented, Hanson and his ilk view it as "de-industrializing," that is first steps in reversing the industrial revolution. That is their real aim.

35 posted on 05/16/2013 2:11:52 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Vigilanteman

That’s assuming the European Union makes sense, first off. Hansen’s acting as the token American spouting the EU talking points to make all the other “ugly” Americans look bad.


36 posted on 05/16/2013 2:12:48 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Zhang Fei

I think we could get ships to erect tall poles on them and hang large pieces of cloth from them to catch the wind. Why haven’t we thought of that yet?


37 posted on 05/16/2013 2:14:35 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Olog-hai

I want liberals out of my gas tank. How much fuel I use is a privatre matter between me and Exxon-Mobil.


38 posted on 05/16/2013 2:17:37 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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I think we could get ships to erect tall poles on them and hang large pieces of cloth from them to catch the wind. Why haven’t we thought of that yet?

The word "re-industrialize" can't really be used to describe the process of trying to run the modern world without chemical power. I think the word this ex-NASA witch doctor is looking for is "de-industrialize".

39 posted on 05/16/2013 2:19:56 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Olog-hai
I love these guys. "Down with oil! Down with coal! Down with wood! Down with nuclear! We'll tear the industrial world down and rebuild it with...thingy!"

They're the deep thinkers. The rest is merely engineering.

40 posted on 05/16/2013 2:23:04 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Olog-hai

If we made it a policy to do the opposite of what they try, we’d win at every turn.


41 posted on 05/16/2013 2:23:55 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Olog-hai

Hansen makes no sense.


42 posted on 05/16/2013 2:24:52 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: tx_eggman

Hilarious!


43 posted on 05/16/2013 2:28:42 PM PDT by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Olog-hai

Did he fly to the conference on a magical windmill?


44 posted on 05/16/2013 2:33:04 PM PDT by techcor
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To: Hans

Why should anyone pay attention to this old commie?


45 posted on 05/16/2013 2:41:23 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: Olog-hai

We are doomed ... we are not heeding the great environmental faux Prophet Hansen! I guess that makes strike three as we have ignored the two previous Prophets Mann and Jones .... we’re surely doomed!


46 posted on 05/16/2013 2:53:02 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (You don't have to be stupid to become a Progressive, but it does speed up the process.)
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To: Texan5

James. Roll some more duddies and go stand with the freaks protesting the pipeline. That’s about all you got left.


47 posted on 05/16/2013 2:56:03 PM PDT by spawn44 (moo)
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To: Olog-hai

http://m1273.photobucket.com/albums/zashagalka/

refers to Texas’ gas tax but still. ..


48 posted on 05/16/2013 2:57:53 PM PDT by ziravan (Choose sides.)
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To: Olog-hai
This loon...

That should be "This Soros-funded loon..."

Grants, of which, iirc, he neglected to file required reports to the appropriate agencies.

49 posted on 05/16/2013 3:12:24 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Olog-hai
Ex-NASA scientist says re-industrializing with fossil fuels makes no sense

Ex-NASA scientist makes no sense

50 posted on 05/16/2013 3:16:26 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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