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What Should Americans Die For?
Townhall.com ^ | May 17, 2013 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 05/17/2013 3:17:20 PM PDT by Kaslin

"The American people are weary. They don't want boots on the ground. I don't want boots on the ground. The worst thing the United States could do right now is put boots on the ground in Syria."

That was the leading Senate hawk favoring U.S. intervention in Syria's civil war. But by ruling out U.S. ground troops, John McCain was sending, perhaps unintentionally, another message: There is no vital U.S. interest in Syria's civil war worth shedding the blood of American soldiers and Marines.

Thus does America's premier hawk support the case made by think-tank scholars Owen Harries and Tom Switzer in their American Interest essay, "Leading from Behind: Third Time a Charm?"

There is in the U.S.A. today, they write, "a reluctance to commit American blood."

A legacy of Iraq and Afghanistan "is an unwillingness of the American public to take casualties on behalf of less than truly vital challenges. ... While such concerns may be admirable ... they are incompatible with a superpower posture and pretensions to global leadership."

You cannot be the "indispensable nation" if you reflexively recoil at putting "boots on the ground."

"If a nation is not prepared to take casualties, it should not engage in the kind of policies likely to cause them. If it is not prepared to take casualties, it should resign itself to not having the kind of respect from others that a more resolute nation could expect."

About the author's premise, that Americans are reluctant to take casualties, is there any doubt?

To demonstrate this, we need only address a few questions.

Would we be willing to send another army of 170,000 to stop a Sunni-Shia war that might tear Iraq apart? Would the American people support sending 100,000 troops, again, to fight to keep Afghanistan from the clutches of the Taliban?

To ask these questions is to answer them.

Should Kim Jong Un attack across the DMZ with his million-man army and seize Seoul, would Barack Obama's America, like Harry Truman's America, send a third of a million U.S. soldiers and Marines to drive the North out? Or would we confine our support to the South, under our security treaty, to air, sea and missile strikes -- from above and afar?

Under NATO, the United States is required to assist militarily any member nation that is a victim of aggression.

If Moscow occupied Estonia or Latvia in a dispute over mistreatment of its Russian minorities, would we declare war or send U.S. troops to fight Russians in the Baltic?

Would we fight the Chinese to defend the Senkakus?

"America no longer has the will, wallet or influence to impose an active and ambitious global leadership across the world," Harries and Switzer contend. They cite Walter Lippmann, who wrote that a credible foreign policy "consists in bringing into balance, with a comfortable surplus of power in reserve, a nation's commitments and the nation's power.

"Without the compelling principle that the nation must maintain its objectives and its power in equilibrium, it purposes within its means and its means equal to its purposes, its commitments related to its resources and its resources adequate to its commitments, it is impossible to think at all about foreign affairs."

Though U.S. commitments are as great or greater than in 1991, the authors write, America is not so domineering as she was at the end of the Cold War, or when Bush 43 set out to "end tyranny in our world."

"The dollar is weak. The debt mountain is of Himalayan proportions. Budget and trade deficits are alarming. Infrastructure is aging. The AAA bond credit rating is lost. Economic growth is exceptionally sluggish for a nation that is four years out of a recession. And where 20 years ago U.S. military power was universally considered awesome in its scope, today, after more than a decade of its active deployment, the world is much more aware of its limitations and costs. It is decidedly less impressed."

Consider Syria, where the neocons and liberal interventionists are clamoring for U.S. military action, but "no boots on the ground."

Is there really any vital U.S. interest at risk in whether the 40-year-old Assad dictatorship stands or falls?

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who has been calling for Assad's ouster for two years and transships weapons to the rebels, has now seen his country stung by a terrorist attack.

But though he has a 400,000-man NATO-equipped army, three times Syria's population, and a 550-mile border to attack across, Erdogan wants us, the "international community," to bring Assad down.

But why is Assad our problem -- and not Erdogan's problem?

Harries and Switzer urge Obama to enunciate a new foreign policy that defines our true vital interests and brings U.S. war guarantees into balance with U.S. power -- a policy where the first question U.S. leaders ask about a conflict or crisis abroad is not "how" but "why"?

Why, exactly, is this America's problem?


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To: ScottinVA

I agree with you about home and family but I will not give up trying.

LLS


41 posted on 05/17/2013 5:14:32 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

I see the country breaking up down the road as well.


42 posted on 05/17/2013 5:14:41 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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43 posted on 05/17/2013 5:20:46 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Kaslin

As a Christian, I am rooting for Assad.

Overthrow him and the last vestige of Christianity in that country will be gone just like what happened when GWB overthrew Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

Is that why this administration wants to step in and support the rebels? There is an article in a European newspaper that claims that nerve gas was used in Syria NOT by Assad but by the rebels.


44 posted on 05/17/2013 5:29:35 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: MestaMachine

I like the cut of your jibe


45 posted on 05/17/2013 5:30:27 PM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: ScottinVA

Like for instance Kosovo,Iraq, Afghanistan, and on and on.


46 posted on 05/17/2013 5:41:47 PM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: MestaMachine

“Like for instance Kosovo,Iraq, Afghanistan, and on and on.”

Exactly.


47 posted on 05/17/2013 5:43:54 PM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Kaslin

“You cannot be the ‘indispensable nation’ if you reflexively recoil at ‘putting boots on the ground’”

I’m perfectly fine with that. A country that refuses to defend its own borders isn’t in a position to play “indispensable” anywhere else in the world.


48 posted on 05/17/2013 5:50:26 PM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Biggirl

I agree. As they say, our fathers would have already been standing on the line.

If things don’t change soon, a fire will start they won’t be able to put out.


49 posted on 05/17/2013 5:58:53 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: LibLieSlayer

VERY well said


50 posted on 05/17/2013 6:04:46 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Kaslin

“…..I wouldn’t go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket…..”

-Smedley Butler
War Is A Racket

Semper Fidelis !
*****


51 posted on 05/17/2013 6:25:29 PM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Kaslin

Freedom.


52 posted on 05/17/2013 6:28:21 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Alberta's Child

Since we DO have a mutual defense treaty with Turkey, and I know this is very unlikely, if Turkey went against Israel the US would have to side with Turkey?


53 posted on 05/17/2013 7:00:26 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Kaslin

Certainly not any foreign war.


54 posted on 05/17/2013 7:05:07 PM PDT by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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To: Kaslin

Truthfully, George W. Bush created the enormous United States Special Operations Command (SOCOM), which is everything the CIA used to be, and incorporates some serious CIA assets.

It is not used as an overt military force, but conducts extensive intelligence gathering and operational execution missions. Think of it as a “parallel war” to the military war in Afghanistan, and worldwide, not limited to the combat zone.

The equivalent in Vietnam was the much smaller Phoenix Program, that in its seven year life had “neutralized” 81,740 enemy agents, killing 26,369 of them.

If the US had involvement in Syria, it would be with them.


55 posted on 05/17/2013 7:32:46 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Kaslin

Well, I have a different view than Pat. I asked myself a long time ago who I would kill for, not die for. I prefer the other guy does the dying.


56 posted on 05/17/2013 7:35:22 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: rcofdayton

If Muslim extremists captured New York City would Americans be willing to sacrifice American blood to save that foreign communist city?


As FUBAR as NYC is, I’d have go to the muzzy shoot.


57 posted on 05/17/2013 8:30:43 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Love me or fear me, you will respect me. ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS--(It is the Law).)
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To: Steve Newton

Thank you Steve... maybe we have our three percenters today!

LLS


58 posted on 05/18/2013 4:33:13 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: jwalsh07

Right on!

LLS


59 posted on 05/18/2013 4:34:42 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Kaslin
That was the leading Senate hawk .. John McCain

             

60 posted on 05/18/2013 4:39:25 AM PDT by tomkat (solve for x: Baraq = islamite .. islam = enemy ... Baraq = x)
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