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Cincinnati IRS employees 'surprised' at furor (it all comes from the top)
AmericanThinker.com ^ | 5/18/2013 | Rick Moran

Posted on 05/18/2013 7:01:14 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

More utter cluelessness from IRS employees, plus, as a bonus, some "Good German" excuses for why the targeting of conservative groups happened.

Washington Post:

As could be expected, the folks in the determinations unit on Main Street have had trouble concentrating this week. Number crunchers, whose work is nonpolitical, don't necessarily enjoy the spotlight, especially when the media and the public assume they're engaged in partisan villainy.

"We're not political,'' said one determinations staffer in khakis as he left work late Tuesday afternoon. "We people on the local level are doing what we are supposed to do. . . . That's why there are so many people here who are flustered. Everything comes from the top. We don't have any authority to make those decisions without someone signing off on them. There has to be a directive [emphasis added]."

And not one of them raised an alarm? Not one of them even

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1 posted on 05/18/2013 7:01:14 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

I’m not surprised at der fuehrer.

FUBO


2 posted on 05/18/2013 7:02:11 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: RoosterRedux
"And not one of them raised an alarm? Not one of them even considered the idea that, "hey, this looks bad even though we're blameless"?"

3 posted on 05/18/2013 7:02:19 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: RoosterRedux
And not one of them raised an alarm?

What, and lose their jobs? If the boss says it's OK, one is supposed to just shut up and go with it. /s

4 posted on 05/18/2013 7:02:31 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Lose their job, get a bad reference letter, and then get audited by their former employer.


5 posted on 05/18/2013 7:05:00 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: PGalt

...but ve vere just following zee orders ve vere given...now, papuhs...let me see your papuhs pleez....


6 posted on 05/18/2013 7:07:07 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: RoosterRedux
"Everything comes from the top. We don't have any authority to make those decisions without someone signing off on them. There has to be a directive [emphasis added]."
And not one of them raised an alarm? Not one of them even"

They're called embeds.

And most insidiously ... the embeds don't even know why they're there.

Just doin' m'job, Cap'n.

7 posted on 05/18/2013 7:07:54 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: RoosterRedux

The WP posted this in their “Style” section?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/at-cincinnati-irs-office-surprise-over-claims-of-partisan-villainy/2013/05/17/f693c60e-bd81-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style


8 posted on 05/18/2013 7:08:40 AM PDT by maggief
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To: RoosterRedux

The Nuremburg defense, just following orders.


9 posted on 05/18/2013 7:11:55 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great natiorn is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: RoosterRedux
"And not one of them raised an alarm? Not one of them even considered the idea that, "hey, this looks bad even though we're blameless"?"

I was just following orders. I'm low-level. No need to bite the hand that feeds me. Etc., etc.

Aid, comfort, paychecks, bonuses, pensions, perks to domestic enemies and their enablers/wannabees/underlings/second-handers/see-hear-speak no evil weaklings never defined or envisioned by the founders.

NOW is their opportunity to come clean.

10 posted on 05/18/2013 7:12:57 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: RoosterRedux

Anyone that would actually work for the IRS isn’t worth a flippin’ camel crap to start with. Just look at the commissioner yesterday if you need proof. Congress needs to indite that clown...talk about arrogance.


11 posted on 05/18/2013 7:12:58 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: RoosterRedux
Those darned Rogue Agents again!


12 posted on 05/18/2013 7:14:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: maggief

Thx for that, Maggie.


13 posted on 05/18/2013 7:15:17 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: Travis McGee

For a guy who is all knowing what’s best for the rest of the unwashed world, Obama is stunningly ignorant of what goes on around him by his own lieutenants. So, he’s either a first class liar or a total fraud, or both.


14 posted on 05/18/2013 7:19:01 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: lgjhn23

I’ll be IRS employees even maintain their own “Judenraete” councils. How else could you personally justify working for the most monstrous organization in the US? How would you like to go to work every day having your “company” and your role vilified and hated by every American? People who take jobs at the IRS are the lowest level pond scum possible.


15 posted on 05/18/2013 7:20:08 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: RoosterRedux

Hmmm, they really do need to do some research on the “we were just following orders” excuse.


16 posted on 05/18/2013 7:20:21 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Why is it that everyone’s in-print faux-German accent reminds me irresistibly of Zsa Zsa Gabor?


17 posted on 05/18/2013 7:22:31 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: RoosterRedux

In his bunker Hitler wondered why the Russians were so pissed off...


18 posted on 05/18/2013 7:22:57 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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19 posted on 05/18/2013 7:29:02 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: lgjhn23
Anyone that would actually work for the IRS isn’t worth a flippin’ camel crap to start with. Just look at the commissioner yesterday if you need proof. Congress needs to indite that clown...talk about arrogance.

Next time this creep is questioned I hope the questions include "what kind of salary were you making" and "What do you expect your pension to be?" Then that pension needs to be taken away. After all he has confessed his incompetence.

20 posted on 05/18/2013 7:30:34 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Springfield Reformer

...don’t know, i was thinking more like Hogans Heroes....


21 posted on 05/18/2013 7:33:47 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: RoosterRedux

Then the House (the Senate will only obstruct justice here) better get them to confess their crimes and get them to rat out their bosses just like prosecuters lean on the mob’s street thugs to get the bosses. I hope they can break the Dem’s code of omerta.


22 posted on 05/18/2013 7:33:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: RoosterRedux
What you have are people who really, really think they are "non-partisan" but who don't see anything wrong with grouping together applications by conservatives for the sake of "consistency." So I suppose that means you grouped liberal groups together for "consistency" too? Oh, wait...

And, of course, there were no "tea party" or "patriot" or any other conservative group that "sailed through" the applications process. They were all hung up and delayed - no doubt for the sake of "consistency." And why questions about donors? About what prayers were said? About what the group was reading?

Just following orders? Where have we heard that one before?

The American Thinker got it right - and the Washington Post was played for fools... Nixon would have been our first dictator if the Washington Post reporters were as stupid then as they are today...

23 posted on 05/18/2013 7:36:46 AM PDT by GOPJ (Conservatives were Obama's victims, but unlike the press we were aware of it.)
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24 posted on 05/18/2013 7:37:16 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: knarf
“Just doin’ m’job, Cap’n.”

That's what Government workers do. It's their culture. This is why expanded government will eventually bankrupt this country. This is simply a fact.

25 posted on 05/18/2013 7:37:57 AM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: RoosterRedux

Following orders.

And it conforms to their worldview.

Similar tactics have been used on the KKK and other groups. This is just an extension.


26 posted on 05/18/2013 7:40:41 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: deweyfrank

I have less than zero respect for anyone besides military who works for the Federal Government. Scum-sucking leeches, all of them.


27 posted on 05/18/2013 7:41:12 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: RoosterRedux

“Why does anyone need a gun that holds thirty bullets?”


28 posted on 05/18/2013 7:42:49 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: dinodino

Amen!


29 posted on 05/18/2013 7:43:23 AM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: McGavin999

“Next time this creep is questioned I hope the questions include “what kind of salary were you making” and “What do you expect your pension to be?” Then that pension needs to be taken away. After all he has confessed his incompetence.”

Take away his pension...AFTER he gets out of prison in 30 years.


30 posted on 05/18/2013 7:43:51 AM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: baddog 219

What does it mean again when Muslims show you the soles of their shoes?


31 posted on 05/18/2013 7:45:01 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: RoosterRedux
Unfortunately...a certain amount of so called innocents have to go down with the big fish to send the message that it is not alright to turn a deaf ear to thuggery!!!You did nothing while you aided the persecution of fellow citizens to keep your job. You are not worthy of your position. Personally I will turn a deaf ear to your excuses!!!
32 posted on 05/18/2013 7:45:59 AM PDT by ontap
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To: RoosterRedux

As bad as this appears it will come to nothing. It is not the worst thing the ostoner gang is doing. It is controlled by ostoner and can’t be pinned on him. He knows that and that is why it was “leaked” and got this whole mess started.

It will come to nothing while, out of scrutiny, something much worse is concluded.

It could backfire because of the arrogance of Miller and the outrage it sparks but I doubt it.


33 posted on 05/18/2013 7:47:25 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Hotlanta Mike
The Nuremburg defense, just following orders.

Just licking boots and kissing asses.

34 posted on 05/18/2013 7:53:24 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: RoosterRedux
The Liberal Union Behind the IRS

"IRS employees are members of the NTEU. The NTEU that is using money from these very same IRS employees to fund the campaigns of anti-Tea Party candidates like Baldwin, Donnelly, McCaskill, Pelosi and Hoyer. Not to mention all the rest of the Democrats who got a piece of the IRS employee money action.

As one would suspect, given the enormous clout of the liberal IRS union, it’s all about the politics. Liberal politics and the financing of the liberal welfare state...

...the NTEU, which gave 94% of its campaign money to anti-Tea Party candidates, has the clout within the IRS to demand a say in who can and cannot carry a Blackberry and receive other high tech communications equipment...

This doesn’t even mention the power the NTEU has inside the IRS to decide everything from promotion rules to size of employee workspaces and on and on.

So the obvious.

If you are working in the IRS, and you are an NTEU member, and you know your union leadership is funneling your union dues to anti-Tea Party candidates, and your union has so much raw power within the IRS that they even control whether you, an IRS employee, can get even such mundane tech gear as a Blackberry — what attitude are you going to display as you review Tea Party applications that must, by law, come in to the IRS for approval?

You already know what to do. And inside the IRS, that’s exactly what was done. The Tea Party, in the vernacular, was screwed. By IRS bureaucrats whose union money is being used to attack the Tea Party. Of course these IRS employees know what to do — most probably without even being asked. There is no need to ask. And if they don’t follow the union program — and want a Blackberry — tough luck..."

35 posted on 05/18/2013 7:55:29 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
What, and lose their jobs? If the boss says it's OK, one is supposed to just shut up and go with it. /s

Nazi Germany all over again. Just shut up and follow orders.

36 posted on 05/18/2013 8:08:08 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: RoosterRedux

During the hours of testimony on Friday, did anyone ask point blank:

“Did YOU instruct IRS staff to scrutinize conservative 501C4 applicants?”


37 posted on 05/18/2013 8:10:56 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Just following orders? Where have we heard that one before?.

Low level IRS bureaucrats calling winners and losers in our political system? Heady stuff. Swollen egos in little Cincinnati fiefdoms...

IRS agents made calls - not based on law - but by carefully applying one standard for liberals and a different standard for conservatives.

Same horror happened in the United States years ago ... back in the racist South...

Voting in the Jim Crow era was the same... blacks had to pass difficult test to get the right to vote - whites just signed a card. Sounds like our modern IRS agents...

Different victims - same evil...

Seems the IRS is deluding themselves. These folks could have worked out train schedules for Dachau without missing a wink of sleep. And the idiot reporter from the Washington Post wouldn't have had the wit to question any of it...

Impossible voter registration 'tests' for blacks - signature cards for whites... - in our time impossible standards for conservatives - easy OK's for liberals. .. Something has to be done.

Where is Chris Matthews and the NAACP on this issue? Would love to hear their excuses... Jesse Jackson - are you out there? Al Sharpton - doesn't this remind you of something???

38 posted on 05/18/2013 8:19:25 AM PDT by GOPJ (Conservatives were Obama's victims, but unlike the press we were aware of it.)
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To: dead

Need to investigate NTEU minutes and emails ,web site and blogs.regarding their comments to members about tea party members. I bet you would find more smoking guns nationwide.


39 posted on 05/18/2013 8:21:40 AM PDT by ncfool (Obama's aMeriKa 2012 can we make it until 2016?)
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To: All
Somewhere there is an IRS memo or email directing these review actions.

Immunity to the right IT guy would pay off...:^)

40 posted on 05/18/2013 8:52:39 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: Travis McGee

Someone signed that Directive. Are you listening, Congressman Issa?


41 posted on 05/18/2013 8:57:46 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
How would you like to go to work every day having your “company” and your role vilified and hated by every American? People who take jobs at the IRS are the lowest level pond scum possible.

I had a friend whose wife worked at the IRS as an auditor, located in the Bible Belt (actual location withheld to protect the innocent). She mainly worked in business audits. She isn't pond scum at all. However, think geek: a numbers geek. She is an accountant, and is all about the numbers and the regulations; all day, every day. In talking with her, I got the impression that she never thought past the numbers and regulations; never thought about how what she did affected people, their businesses and their lives. She just didn't seem capable. Sort of odd... She knew what people thought about the IRS, but didn't seem to care much. Her attitude was someone had to do it, and it might as well be her. However, she was very aware of what was needed to keep her job and lucrative retirement. Was also all about doing what was needed to get ahead and stay ahead in the IRS. She knew she had it good, and wasn't about to jeopardize it.

42 posted on 05/18/2013 9:17:04 AM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: G Larry
“Did YOU instruct IRS staff to scrutinize conservative 501C4 applicants?”

If the Representatives asking him don't have any evidence to force him to admit it, he'll just deny it. They need to climb the ladder from the low level employees upward. Get the ones who actually turned down the tax exempt status for Tea Party groups to turn over memos and provide testimony against they bosses, then get them to turn on their bosses until you hit the top.

About the only thing you could get from directly asking your question today is the chance to nail him on perjury later.

43 posted on 05/18/2013 9:20:04 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: RoosterRedux
Instead of German the author should have used NAZI.
44 posted on 05/18/2013 9:23:03 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: TADSLOS
For a guy who is all knowing what’s best for the rest of the unwashed world, Obama is stunningly ignorant of what goes on around him by his own lieutenants.

Don't forget that George W Bush was responsible for everything that happened in Barry's first term. Why, that old meanie just wouldn't let go of the presidency, and kept running the country over Barry's head.

It took a second election to finally get that evil man to let the power go, and then what happens? Barry's underlings take over, and start running the country into the ground behind his back!

He's a victim, I tell ya.

45 posted on 05/18/2013 9:24:11 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RoosterRedux
"We people on the local level are doing what we are supposed to do. . " Demanding information not authorized under the law is "just doing their job"??? Someone else ought to be doing their job and arresting these anti-American, anti-Freedom creeps!
46 posted on 05/18/2013 9:24:34 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad

Just imagine when their powers are extended to healthcare.


47 posted on 05/18/2013 9:28:08 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: RoosterRedux

All roads lead to the WH and now Obama is working to add as many forks in the road as possible.


48 posted on 05/18/2013 9:45:59 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: RoosterRedux

bttt


49 posted on 05/18/2013 10:12:25 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: RoosterRedux

50 posted on 05/18/2013 10:17:15 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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