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Darrell Issa: Lois Lerner lost her rights
Politico ^ | May 22, 2013 | Rachael Bade

Posted on 05/22/2013 12:34:42 PM PDT by Second Amendment First

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa said embattled IRS official Lois Lerner waived her Fifth Amendment rights and will be hauled back to appear before his panel again.

The California Republican said Lerner’s Fifth Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination was voided when she gave an opening statement this morning denying any wrongdoing and professing pride in her government service.

“When I asked her her questions from the very beginning, I did so so she could assert her rights prior to any statement,” Issa told POLITICO. “She chose not to do so — so she waived.”

Lerner triggered the IRS scandal on May 10 when she acknowledged that the agency wrongly targeted conservative groups applying for a tax exemption. Her lawyer told the House committee earlier this week that she would exercise her Fifth Amendment.

She appeared before Issa’s committee this morning under the order of a subpoena and surprised many by reading a strong statement to the panel.

“I have not done anything wrong,” she said. “I have not broken any laws. I have not violated any IRS rules or regulations, and I have not provided false information to this or any other committee.”

Issa dismissed her from the committee room once it became clear she wouldn’t answer questions.

Lerner’s decision to speak at all immediately triggered a dust-up among lawmakers who were confused about whether she gave up her Fifth Amendment protections when she made an opening statement.

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), a former federal prosecutor, said Lerner lost her rights the minute she started proclaiming her innocence, and that lawmakers therefore were entitled to question her. But Ranking Democrat Elijah Cummings of Maryland said hearing rules were not like those of a courtroom.

During the incident, Issa did not flat-out say whether or not Lerner had indeed waived her rights but instead tried to coax her into staying by offering to narrow the scope of questions.

By the afternoon, Issa was taking a harder stand.

“The precedents are clear that this is not something you can turn on and turn off,” he told POLITICO. “She made testimony after she was sworn in, asserted her innocence in a number of areas, even answered questions asserting that a document was true … So she gave partial testimony and then tried to revoke that.”

He said he was not expecting that.

“I understand from her counsel that there was a plan to assert her Fifth Amendment rights,” he continued. “She went ahead and made a statement, so counsel let her effectively under the precedent, waive — so we now have someone who no longer has that ability.”


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KEYWORDS: darrellissa; fifthamendment; gowdy; holder; irs; irsteaparty; issa; lerner; lois; loislerner; obama; trey; treygowdy
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To: CA Conservative
Issa blew it!

What can you expect from a former car thief turned congress critter?

That's an inappropriate comment to make about a former bomb disposal expert.

Issa has seen the Valley in the Shadow of death up close and personal.

341 posted on 05/22/2013 4:07:12 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: SteveH
More on Congress's Contempt powers and options here. Although Congress (only 1 House needed I believe) can completely bypass the other two branches and act alone (link's option 1) IIRC they can only imprison folks for the duration of that Congress. I'd expect Holder would block the 'normal' modern procedure, link's option 2, proceding through US Attorney for DC. I don't know whether option 3, going to District Court for DC is available to House as link only mentions the Senate in that connection. If not, their options are either the weak option 4, or growing up Boehner and going big after Holder blocks option 2.
342 posted on 05/22/2013 4:08:51 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: TBP

This is what I was thinking. If you testify and believe you have done nothing wrong, it seems a contradiction to refuse to answer because of the fear of self-incrimination.


343 posted on 05/22/2013 4:11:35 PM PDT by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: ncpatriot

I know! President Crazy Uncle.


344 posted on 05/22/2013 4:12:54 PM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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To: bert

STASI.


345 posted on 05/22/2013 4:15:35 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Anima Mundi

Ask Scooter how it all works out.....


346 posted on 05/22/2013 4:16:53 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: unixfox
My thoughts too. Which makes her a loose cannon.

You know what I say? You wanna run with the jackals, expect to be dinner at some point.

347 posted on 05/22/2013 4:30:09 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Skulls said that Lerner is also a lawyer, so she should have known what she was doing.


348 posted on 05/22/2013 4:39:45 PM PDT by Old Yeller
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To: Old Yeller

Sekulow. Damn faulty IPad.


349 posted on 05/22/2013 4:40:40 PM PDT by Old Yeller
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To: Mamzelle
People always overestimate the intelligence of Democrats.

Who? Maybe other Democrats and a couple of Rinos, but no one whose opinion really matters.

350 posted on 05/22/2013 5:34:16 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Second Amendment First
From what I read it's not clear if she cantestify adn then take the fith as well. And,it well could be litigated. If her lawyer,Taylor III is as slick as everyone thinks maybe that's what he had in mind. Litigate whether or not you can have it both ways by testifying and also taking the fifth. There are loads of opinions on both sides.

If he gets that crap into an appeals court she could be home free for years and yet another obama delaying tactic would be at work.

351 posted on 05/22/2013 5:44:14 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Second Amendment First
“I have not done anything wrong,” she said. “I have not broken any laws. I have not violated any IRS rules or regulations, and I have not provided false information to this or any other committee.”

In context, with counsel, that is the same as a confession. She's the canary...

352 posted on 05/22/2013 5:48:48 PM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: discostu

Right away the left will say that’s fine for a courtroom but what about testifying before Congress? I think they(taylor the III could tie it up if they want. However if they do that could prolong the entire irs probe. So in a way they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.I don’t know if there are technical rules for taking the fifth,when it applies when it doesn’t when testifying before Congress.


353 posted on 05/22/2013 5:54:09 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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354 posted on 05/22/2013 5:54:22 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: eyedigress
What I need clarified is a federal employee under oath before Congress.

That is the big question here.

355 posted on 05/22/2013 5:56:19 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: editor-surveyor

I hate the left and I respect the rule of law. Otherwise we should all blow through a conch and hope we get justice


356 posted on 05/22/2013 6:18:32 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Ms. Lerner....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L18jsq8qk9Q


357 posted on 05/22/2013 6:18:59 PM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: DannyTN

No he waived her right by addressing the issues. My son in law is an attorney specializing in constitutional law and he was telling me that if you say I am innocent of x, y, and z, they are then allowed to question you about x, y, and z. If she had wanted to assert her fifth amendment privilege, all she should have been counseled to say is her name and then she should answer nothing. Not even questions about where she worked as that opens her up to answer questions about potential illegal activity at her job.


358 posted on 05/22/2013 6:21:42 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: old and tired

If so, then perhaps the entire thing was a staged show from the start to the finish, and Obama is the one being strung up...


359 posted on 05/22/2013 6:38:15 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Darrell Issa “they can’t be so dumb as to not know so much “


360 posted on 05/22/2013 6:45:42 PM PDT by Recompennation (Bidden and Bo /off teleprompter moments, it happens)
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