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To: MacNaughton

Like I said previously, one bishop’s opinion is just that - his opinion. Not the opinion of the Church as a whole.

The policy of the Catholic church is very clear - that we don’t tolerate homosexuality and we certainly aren’t going to stick with the BSA while they chart their course to oblivion.

I find it interesting that you seem more interested in attacking the Catholic church and making sure we know that Catholics are the enemy.


132 posted on 05/27/2013 6:13:30 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
The policy of the Catholic church is very clear - that we don’t tolerate homosexuality...

BUT, is it the policy of Roman Catholics?

I am now living in the Philippines. Last night, there was a big event in the local Barangay (political district) featuring a "beauty" pageant of queers (they are anything but 'gay'), and my girlfriend begged me to take here. These pigs strutted in costumery, and showed most of their flesh (except the part that revealed that they are male!).

BUT, before this event, they called the crowd to order and a prayer was led that invoked Christ, all in the name of Roman Catholicism! Nothing was mentioned of the abomination that was about to begin, but all were solemn in their agreement that it was a good thing going on there. They had their little children with them, and it was a great local event.

Your protestations of innocence in the light of these brethren and sistern (sic) of yours do nothing but highlight the hypocrisy of the entire Roman Catholic laity and the lack of proper Biblical/Christian principles in application. When so many Roman Catholic 'priests' have been shown as pedophiles, the leadership has been in denial, and this outright display of homoerotic behavior is applauded, you know it is just a 'religion'. This nation is full of the pseudo-spirituality in the name of Roman Catholicism! Jesus would be ashamed!

For reference, please read this definition:

Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.

Mark 8: 38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

For further reference, see: Genesis 19


133 posted on 05/27/2013 6:53:44 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("...the press had better learn from their experiences of being duped "...-Sarah Palin 5/17/13)
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To: JCBreckenridge
132 Like I said previously, one bishop’s opinion is just that - his opinion. Not the opinion of the Church as a whole. ...

Not just 1 bishop, but the bishop in the U.S. who has the authority over the church's National Catholic Committee on Scouting. And the lay chairman of that said same committee has been non-committal also. Don't you find it interesting that letter from Scouts for Equality to Cardinal Dolan was forwarded to the Bishop of Charleston for him to handle. I understand that is the proper administrative channel. But still, I had hoped for more of a declarative position. And I realize that it may still come once the church hierarchy realizes that the homosexualists are continuing with the push to approve open homosexual adult leaders.

... I find it interesting that you seem more interested in attacking the Catholic church and making sure we know that Catholics are the enemy.

Your thin skin is showing. I am not attacking, just pointing out what has transpired. Most of the Christian denominations in the U.S. have not covered themselves with honor in this affair. The 6 denominations which charter units with the most scouts have been meek to MIA.

1. LDS - I, and others have chronicled over the last 4 days the sad chain of events in that denomination which led to their acceptance of the BSA membership rule change.

2. UMC - Same thing. They're Scouting committee, the United Methodist Men, has said essentially the same thing as the LDS and RCC, i.e., we can live with it. That denomination may well be heading to schism over the issue of homosexuality.

3. RCC - Not much else to add except to wonder aloud whether the church is still admitting celibate homosexuals into seminary or not. I read an RCC account from Poland last year where they were very critical of the Jesuit colleges/universities in the U.S. for this very reason. I have no idea what is happening on the ground.

4. Lutheran - Includes several flavors of Lutherans. The largest, ELCA, ordains homosexual pastors and is probably not that far from approving marriage rites for homosexuals. I haven't seen a statement from the ELCA about the BSA rule, yet. The other 2 smaller flavors, LC-Missouri Synod and the LC-Wisconsin Synod do not ordain homosexual pastors. The LC-MS has been vocal against BSA's decision.

5. Presbyterian - Also includes several flavors. The largest, PC-USA, ordains homosexual pastors and is probably not that far from approving homosexual marriage rites. I haven't seen a statement from the PC-USA about the BSA decision, yet. Smaller sects, like the PCA, have come out strongly against BSA's decision.

6. Baptists - Also includes several flavors. The largest, the Southern Baptist Convention, has been the most vocal of all Christian denominations in the U.S. against the BSA since 1/28/2013.

150 posted on 05/27/2013 10:01:56 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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