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To: JCBreckenridge
“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.”

In a proper exegetical consideration of that Scripture portion, it is found that nothing demonstrates that the basis for a pope exists as the presumptuous leader on earth! Jesus is the foundational Rock for the Church, and Peter was just an another disciple (but one who denied Christ!). Paul needed to correct Peter in his desire to put works into the salvation equation, and on his exclusivity (Galatians 2:11-21). That portion reveals the falsity of your organization's structure.

Once again, it is the presumptuous nature of the Roman Catholic Church organization that propels such a falsity. It totally assumes ownership of one part of that single line of Scripture and attempts to build on it. BUT, you already have been given that proper exegetical analysis and chose to ignore or ridicule it.

Just as your organization tries to elevate Mary into an equal to Christ, you give credence to the basic facts that little can be found within your catechisms that resemble what Christ taught, and indeed reclassifies simple faith into works necessary for salvation (as well as the RC membership requirement!).

Paul clarifies the difference in writing to those at Rome in the first Century...

Romans 1: 14 I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. 15 That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

If Rome had been the origin and location of your organization, there should have been little need for the Gospel, the "good news" of Christ to be taught to them! Indeed, it was because of the spiritual ignorance that Paul sent such an address to such as were there.

Try reading Paul's entire letter to that group. Maybe you will find Christ in your heart, and not in some symbolic edifice for royalty! Of course, first, you need to ask the Hoy Spirit for His guidance... not some fallible priest!

Romans 1:25 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator ...


148 posted on 05/27/2013 9:32:40 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("...the press had better learn from their experiences of being duped "...-Sarah Palin 5/17/13)
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To: WVKayaker

“In a proper exegetical consideration of that Scripture portion, it is found that nothing demonstrates that the basis for a pope exists as the presumptuous leader on earth!”

That wasn’t your argument. You said that Christ never established anything tangible and that the Church was simply the invisible body of believers. This is not so. Examining scripture demonstrates that yes, in fact Christ did establish a visible church with himself as head.

Furthermore, Ephesians establishes that Christ himself is the head, while the Church is his bride. There’s only one bride here, not two brides. Christ is not a polygamist.

“Jesus is the foundational Rock for the Church, and Peter was just an another disciple”

Well, let’s examine Matthew 16 again. I gave you verse 18. Here are verses 15 through to 17.

“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.”

Just another disciple! Not so. Not according to what Christ and Matthew teaches. Why did Christ put him at the head and gave Peter the authority to forgive sins? Because he saw the Truth, that Christ was the son of the living God.

“That portion reveals the falsity of your organization’s structure.”

So, you affirm then that Peter was not just an ordinary disciple - if he was in fact held responsible as the leader of the Apostles and responsible for the governance of the Church.

It also reveals a truth - that the Catholic church does date to St. Peter’s time. You’ve affirmed continuity with the Apostles and affirmed that St. Peter was in fact the first Bishop of Rome.

“Once again, it is the presumptuous nature of the Roman Catholic Church organization that propels such a falsity.”

It’s not a falsity at all. You yourself have just affirmed that there is historical continuity from Peter to Francis.

“It totally assumes ownership of one part of that single line of Scripture”

Are you asserting then that you do not believe one line of scripture is sufficient evidence of Christ’s teachings? Is this not contrary to Sola Scriptura?

“you already have been given that proper exegetical analysis”

Where would I find such analysis?

“Just as your organization tries to elevate Mary into an equal to Christ”

And precisely where do we do so? Evidence please!

“reclassifies simple faith into works necessary for salvation”

Since you are familiar with our Catechism, perhaps you can show for me where you find that we teach that works is necessary for salvation.


149 posted on 05/27/2013 9:53:08 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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