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TV Ratings: MSNBC Falls Below HLN in May, Rachel Maddow Hits Lows
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Posted on 05/29/2013 3:05:39 PM PDT by kcvl

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To: sickoflibs
I don't want to pay for MSNBC. I don't want to create a situation where my ‘forced support’ makes that channel available to some gullible young person. I'm not interested in supporting the spread of liberal ideas with my dollars. BrightHouse, Verizon, and ComCast need to understand. I'll switch to using the computer for my TV if I'm forced to support liberal channels.

I want to pay for the channels I watch...period. I don't want to give support to the channels I don't believe in... My money will not go to support the JC Penny of cable channels (MSNBC)..

It's bad enough my tax dollars are used to support public TV and radio (PBS and NPR) - systems designed by liberals and for liberals... but paid for by all Americans... Could we tax all Americans to subsidize Rush and other conservatives? They would laugh us out of the room - but it's done to us - and they pretend not to 'get; why it might be offensive.

An unintended consequence of McCain's bill would be cable companies might start offering channels that would appeal to conservatives. And there's no downside. Since most cable channels have a liberal bent, liberals can buy as many as they want - and the others will die out. For conservatives the few channels that are for us, we'll still support. The ONLY loss will be liberal channels. I doubt most liberals would pay for 500 channels on cable if 450 of them were aimed at conservatives. We need to grow up and fight back. Liberals hate us. They stick the IRS on us. They lie about us.

We need to fight back our feet and our dollars. And no, I do not want to support liberal channels on cable or liberal anything. Not now, not ever.

61 posted on 05/30/2013 7:49:50 AM PDT by GOPJ (Swedes bring their cars..savages their flames..burning cars a metaphor. D. Greenfield)
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To: GOPJ
RE :”We need to fight back our feet and our dollars. And no, I do not want to support liberal channels on cable or liberal anything. Not now, not ever. “

No one is forcing you to buy cable but I dont trust congress, especially this Senate with McCain, to tell my cable stations what they can and cant do.

Unless there is a federal law forcing your cable station to include MSNBC, as they do with local stations(which I dont watch here as they support O malley), then they need to keep their hands off my cable.

62 posted on 05/30/2013 7:55:54 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs
Personally on FIOS I subscribed to a few extra packages (mostly movies) and I program 'favorites' option so I can surf my personalized guide without seeing all the channels I am not interested in like MTV.

I can do the same - but that's not the issue. If all of us got to pick - and pay for the channels we watch - conservatives would start getting more options. Maybe we could have 20 channels to choose from rather than 12... And liberals might be forced to choose 80 channels from the 480 cable channels they're offered.

I don't see why we all pay the same for cable but liberals get 450 channels to choose from and we get maybe 12. I don't want to pay for liberals to aim their messages at my kids, grandkids and neighbors. Liberals are destroy the culture - let them do it on their own dime.

63 posted on 05/30/2013 8:01:38 AM PDT by GOPJ (Swedes bring their cars..savages their flames..burning cars a metaphor. D. Greenfield)
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To: GOPJ

I would like to see where you can pick and choose a set amount for a flat fee. so you pay $20 and then can select 200 channels you actually want.


64 posted on 05/30/2013 8:06:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: GOPJ

I been in areas of this country on travel where the cable stations provide FNC and NOT MSNBC on their own without dictates from McCain and Dem Senate.

FNC is way more popular/viewed than MSNBC to begin with.

Again, Keep Mccain and the Senate away from my cable. I see nothing good from them.

Incidently, Mccain is quite loved and adored on MSNBC again now so I question his motives.


65 posted on 05/30/2013 8:07:18 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: GOPJ

McCain is pushing a bill which cable company lobbyists will PAY HIM not to pass.


66 posted on 05/30/2013 8:10:00 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: GOPJ; pepsionice; sickoflibs; Liz
I am sure that Mccain's Senate bill will lower my cable bills, just like Obama-care will lower my insurance premiums just like Obama promised:

RE :”But bundling lowers costs in part because people who are marginally interested in certain programs subsidize them. Assume you like to watch ESPN and your friend likes to watch the Food Network. And suppose the monthly production costs of both shows is $9. You might be willing to pony up $8 for ESPN and $2 for FN, and your friend would be agreeable to the opposite. Neither show will get produced as the $8 maximum you and your friend would be willing to pay for your favorite channel would not cover the fixed production cost. But if you both pay $10 for both channels both shows get produced for a profit.
Ineed, if there is a bias in McCain’s bill it is against non-sports programming. As recent deals have show, the appetite for sports programming is far greater than other types of shows. Unless the government is actually prepared to tell people what they must watch ESPN survives while Food Network goes away.
If a la carte pricing were the way to go, then we would still be in the infancy of the cable industry when programming was pay-per-view and there were far fewer choices for consumers. Let’s please not go back there, Senator McCain”
Senator McCain's Cable TV Bill Intended To Target Sports Fans But Would Be Bad For Everyone(Forbes 5/14/2013)/

67 posted on 05/30/2013 8:37:13 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: GOPJ; pepsionice; Liz

As I recall those days of cable infancy where he says most cable only stations were pay for, like HBO which was on cable in the mid 1970s, it was legal for cable companies to rebroadcast other stations they received with huge antennas, and that was most of their stations.

So if you lived away from a city and had only 3 network stations and PBS then cable got you one or two big city’s syndicated TV broadcast stations too (another 5 or 10) and in those days 1970s Tbroadcast in big cities had decent programming.

Then in mid 80s congress passed a deregulation bill the ended rebroadcast ( forced royalties) and mandating that local stations be put at the lower channels and then cable evolved into what it is today, and broadcast local stations turned to crap I see today. I rarely watch them.


68 posted on 05/30/2013 8:58:03 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: longtermmemmory
I would like to see where you can pick and choose a set amount for a flat fee. so you pay $20 and then can select 200 channels you actually want.

The company that comes up with that will get my business. I'd even go for the stripped down version - pick any twenty for twenty... Innovative Internet channels could be among the choices...

However it's done, I want to move away from liberal elites picking stuff for me to watch - 'cause with that system I just leave the TV off...

69 posted on 05/30/2013 10:40:47 AM PDT by GOPJ (Swedes bring their cars..savages their flames..burning cars a metaphor. D. Greenfield)
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To: sickoflibs
No one is forcing you to buy cable ...

Good point. Younger members of my family are streaming directly from their computers. I guess it's time for me to learn how to do that...

Cable can follow in the brilliant footsteps of the MSM and JC Penney - and decide to give the finger to the half of Americans who are conservative. It's worked for newspapers - and Penney's... it'll work for cable.

That said Sick, you have a point about not wanting government involved in making decisions for private companies... So after all this I'm going to stand with you on this - I don't want newspapers forced to be fair, I don't want Penny's forced to stay out of sexual politics and I don't want cable forced to do things in a better fairer way... NOT by the government.

You win this one Sick... which is fine - I don't relish the idea of standing with McCain on any issue.

70 posted on 05/30/2013 10:51:41 AM PDT by GOPJ (Swedes bring their cars..savages their flames..burning cars a metaphor. D. Greenfield)
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